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Keith:
I run RA1's and or SM6's. I won saturday on a set of 14 cycle SM6's and ran second Sunday in the rain on a two cycle set of 3/32" RA1's.

As for running A6's (yours aside) I've never seen a regional SM racer at the pointy end (at Mid Ohio) run them. Not saying it isn't done, I've just never seen a set run there. BTW, I'm okay with that ability becauase if the A6 was consistently faster, I suspect we'd all have a set on the rack!
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Donny Walsh cleaned house in this region running A6 before building his Corvette.

Guess the rule isn't necessary. So will I be chastized if I run A6 all next season or should I invest my money in motor and dyno time as that seems to be far more acceptable? As for the regionals that I won this year, I had people in post race tech giving me a hard time about being on Hossier SM6s and not Toyos. The tire rule is open. Don't discount my wins because I didn't choose to run crappy Toyos.

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Donny Walsh cleaned house in this region running A6 before building his Corvette.

Guess the rule isn't necessary. So will I be chastized if I run A6 all next season or should I invest my money in motor and dyno time as that seems to be far more acceptable? As for the regionals that I won this year, I had people in post race tech giving me a hard time about being on Hossier SM6s and not Toyos. The tire rule is open. Don't discount my wins because I didn't choose to run crappy Toyos.


In my opinion, A WIN IS A WIN! As long as you are not cheating to do it. A6 is legal if you think that gives you the best shot then buy them and slap them on.

I cant speak for Rick but it seems obvious to me that he feels a PRO MOTOR gives him the best chance to win, so he not only bought one but he also tuned it on the dyno!

Everyone knows I have a PRO MOTOR, with my limited skill you have to have one of those to be competitive! :(


Why is this A6 thing even being debated? You admit to running them and it let you keep up with Rick, not trying to make trouble, but are you ashamed that you did it? If not then what is the big deal. Looked to me like you drove the wheels of it, no matter what tire you had on it, are you sure it was the tire or it just gave you a boost of confidence!

I plan to run Hoosier SM6 at every race next year, it is the national class tire, I am a national racer and I see no reason to drive anything else. I have been waiting for one of the clubs to make Hoosier the choice and now that it has come to pass I will be enjoying. If you beat me on Goodyear slicks you still beat me! If you have a better pro motor than me and you beat me you still beat me.

I have been on the pole with my pro motor -7hp down, and I have been on the pole when my motor was cooking at full output. At the end of the day you still have to drive it like you stole it to win.

But if you spend an extra 275 on every set of tires and you go through many sets you could always choose to be prudent with your money and save the 275 per set and save it up for that PRO MOTOR. :lol:

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Not ashamed at all Kyle. The A6 is legal. My crate motor is legal. I am well within the rules and happy with my finishes. I tested the A6 this season back to back with SM6 on advice from other GREAT LAKES REGION SM racers. The A6 at Mid Ohio are about 0.7 seconds per lap faster at a cost difference of $275 per set and 10 fast runs vs 15 to 20 fast runs for the SM6. At Grattan and Gingerman, the A6 was only 0.3 sec faster. With my test at Mid-Ohio, if the region holds the open tire rule, I'll probably run A6 tires. If that puts me in the mix for the regional championships, others may do the same. Just brought it up because it can be avoided if the region chooses to write the rule. As for rains, with the open tire rule, we could also run Hoosier dirt stockers like many do in the IT classes.

SM is a spec class and should have a spec tire in my opinion. I was surprised that the handful of respondants in this thread were so on the opposite side of this issue from me. Just seems that if we can keep cost down in such an easy to tech way, we should be doing that. What I am hearing is, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The conversation on the Waterford Hills site is to spec both Toyo's and SM6 for next season to allow the budget guys to use up all the old Toyos and be open to run NASA too. I think that's pretty smart. I'm just challenging the region to think about the tire rule for 2012 rather than just be business as usual. It almost feels to me like the region's way to thumb their nose at national and show that they know better.

I'll write a letter to the group that Jerry posted. Feel free to write yours too.

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Not ashamed at all Kyle. The A6 is legal. My crate motor is legal. I am well within the rules and happy with my finishes. I tested the A6 this season back to back with SM6 on advice from other GREAT LAKES REGION SM racers. The A6 at Mid Ohio are about 0.7 seconds per lap faster at a cost difference of $275 per set and 10 fast runs vs 15 to 20 fast runs for the SM6. At Grattan and Gingerman, the A6 was only 0.3 sec faster. With my test at Mid-Ohio, if the region holds the open tire rule, I'll probably run A6 tires. If that puts me in the mix for the regional championships, others may do the same. Just brought it up because it can be avoided if the region chooses to write the rule. As for rains, with the open tire rule, we could also run Hoosier dirt stockers like many do in the IT classes.

SM is a spec class and should have a spec tire in my opinion. I was surprised that the handful of respondants in this thread were so on the opposite side of this issue from me. Just seems that if we can keep cost down in such an easy to tech way, we should be doing that. What I am hearing is, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The conversation on the Waterford Hills site is to spec both Toyo's and SM6 for next season to allow the budget guys to use up all the old Toyos and be open to run NASA too. I think that's pretty smart. I'm just challenging the region to think about the tire rule for 2012 rather than just be business as usual. It almost feels to me like the region's way to thumb their nose at national and show that they know better.

I'll write a letter to the group that Jerry posted. Feel free to write yours too.


Keith,

First, let me clarify something that you and several others seem to have confusion about. The Regional Championship Series is put on and administered by the Great Lakes Division, not any specific region. The Division is comprised of 19 independent regions, all of which are welcome to offer up a representative to the RCS Committee. Each regional race that is put on by a GLD region, has the choice as to if they want their race to be part of the RCS. If they do, then they have to go by the RCS rules, one of which is that currently, SM is open tire. If they choose not to be a part of the RCS, then they are welcome to write whatever they wish into their Supplemental Rules.

You say "The conversation on the Waterford Hills site is to spec both Toyo's and SM6 for next season to allow the budget guys to use up all the old Toyos and be open to run NASA too. I think that's pretty smart.". So what is not smart about the RCS having an open tire rule? The budget people get to use whatever they can afford or latch onto, and the tires they have to run in NASA or MCSCC are OK to run in GLD regional events. The "win at all costs" people will spend whatever they feel gives them the best advantage, be it the A6, SM6, or Road Handler.

If SM was truely a spec class, and we didn't have pro motors, or we had a reasonable tech process that looked for some of the gray area violations, I might have a different opinion about a spec tire for regionals. The BOD has choosen to leave the SM regional tire up to the locals to determine to allow flexibility in local programs. But as Denny said, "that gennie is out of the bottle". And from what I heard, the bottle got broken in a drunken brawl.

Debating this subject here does little to change things. If you, or anyone who races in the Great Lakes Division wants their voice heard, please send your thoughts to the GLD Regional Championship Series members listed in one of my earlier posts in this thread (preferably prior to the 11/5/11 Roundtable Meeting).

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Jerry I know that you are only one vote but do you think there is a serious effort to change the Open Tire rule in GLD? I am happy with the choice that the current rule allows So unless there is change in the wind I am a happy camper.

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Jerry I know that you are only one vote but do you think there is a serious effort to change the Open Tire rule in GLD? I am happy with the choice that the current rule allows So unless there is change in the wind I am a happy camper.


I would say that the RCS Committee members will strongly look at driver input they receive on this subject for consideration of what to do with the SM tire rules for 1012. If you have an opinion, I would suggest taking a few moments and sending emails to the committee (writing a single email to the Chair is sufficient to register your opinion to the committee).

I've voiced my opinion as a driver, but as a committee member I will go with the popular concensus. We have had 54 GLD drivers participate in regional races this season. I'd like to see an opinion from a majority of them.

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