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A smart business (or in this case a club) should welcome, maybe even seek, negative feedback.

 

Ron, Lay off the Mush Lardball Show - that shiz'll kill yer brain cells.

 

Negative feedback is fine...unless the horse is nothing but bone dust :wacko: Doesnt make much sense to beat up the club for anything beyond its control. 

 

As far as brain cells...I here you...I live among a great many walking dead :help:


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With TWS and speak of high rentals...

 

How many Club owned tracks do we have ??

 

Thunderhill is.

http://thunderhill.c...140324101901676

 

So buy it, refurbish, start fresh and if you build it they will come ??

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Negative feedback is fine...unless the horse is nothing but bone dust :wacko:

Wasn't the original question why isn't there more entries. I was offering one possible explanation.

 

Doesnt make much sense to beat up the club for anything beyond its control.

Initiating the Majors was beyond the SCCA's control? They HAD to do it?

 

Hey, if folks like the Majors and it grows then super-duper. As long as there is still regional racing that is where I'll spend my money. Capitalism at it's finest!

 

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With TWS and speak of high rentals...

 

How many Club owned tracks do we have ??

 

Thunderhill is.

http://thunderhill.c...140324101901676

 

So buy it, refurbish, start fresh and if you build it they will come ??

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I believe Socal club owns Buttonwillow. (not 100% sure on that)

 

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I believe Socal club owns Buttonwillow. (not 100% sure on that)

 

-Derrick

 

Yup.

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Wasn't the original question why isn't there more entries. I was offering one possible explanation.
 

Initiating the Majors was beyond the SCCA's control? They HAD to do it?
 
Hey, if folks like the Majors and it grows then super-duper. As long as there is still regional racing that is where I'll spend my money. Capitalism at it's finest!
 




Ok...your not a fan of the majors...specifically the costs. You feel the cost "bang for the buck" not worth it. What is your solution?

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Congrats to my good friend and team mate! Way to go Jim! Looked like an incredible race with Matt! 2 of my favorite guys to race against... Really wish I was there. I already can't wait to see what you guys do tomorrow.... Maybe Stearns can get up there as well. Good luck to all, and I'm looking forward to hearing from Drago and Reynolds
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Yes it was another one of the great races with Matt. I told him after the race. the best and worst thing about racing him is you get no mistakes.. If you make half a mistake, no need to look, he is on his way by. We have had some great races here, today was another.. Tomorrow will be as well :)

They announced today that they are repaving the track completely in two weeks. That should really make it nice for next year!
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Sundays race was much the same.. I made a few suspension changes ( raised the car a round and added a round of cross) as the car was a little tight in rights and starting to get a little loose in lefts in morning warm up.  I went too far and struggled in four and the bitch worst than I can remember.  I could never shake Matt, I think we ran the entire race within .4 of each other. We ran almost an entire lap side by side, multiple lead changes. Always the best racing of the year for me. If you think you are one of the best in the class, you owe it to yourself to see how you measure up at Hallet, the best "racing" Sm track in the country.  If you end up within 5 seconds of Matt Reynolds at the end of the race, consider yourself pretty darn good! You never use fifth gear at this track and you have to remind yourself to breathe quite often. 

 

I think I beat Matt to the line by .3 or so. I think we ran 10-12 laps under the 5 year old record. Matt again nipped me for the track record. Congrats on that! Again a great race win or lose. One of my best races there was second to Matt a few years ago, I know he feels the same way. We left it all out there, we both gave all we had, passed and re passed multiple times, never touched! That was ALL I had.   Matt is my favorite competitor to race against, tough as nails, fast and clean! As I said on the podium, if I made half a mistake, I didn't even look in the mirror, I just moved off line as I knew he was filling the hole. When you get out of the car and are both smiling, you know its fun! that is what it is all about! 

 

 

They announced that they are repaving the track in two weeks. If you can mark it on your schedules next year, you will not be disappointed, you will have more fun racing at Hallet than most any other track we race.


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Congrats Again to Jim and Matt! I am sick about missing this one (unexpected family plans). Amazingly fun track, that has a great rhythm.....and to add to what Jim was saying, if you can beat Matt AND Jim @ Hallett, you have Really done something in an SM.
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Jim is definitely right about this track. It was a blast learning this track for the first time and attending my first majors event. I will definitely be back to this track and can't wait to see what it is like after the new asphalt.

As for my weekend, Friday was great. Car had zero issues during the test day and was making good progress knocking down my lap times. By the end of the day, I was down to 1:32 on old SM6 tires from last year. Unfortunately that is when any and all luck that I had in reserve ran out. The set of SM7 tires mounted on new wheels was scheduled to show up Friday and as such they did, well 75% of them anyway. So now with only 3 tires for the weekends race, I was forced to buy another set from the local hoosier vendor. They would not be mounted until after qualifying on Saturday so I stayed on the old SM6s. For the race, we bolted on the fresh SM7s. For the 8 laps I was able to run, it was the most fun I've had in a while. I was in a three car battle for sixth and was out front for a few laps. Then Lady Luck didn't just run out, she was sucked dry. My last two laps out, I noticed the car getting very loose of lefts. Loose in, loose out. I lost a position finally in T2 but held the other car back. Then coming up the hill into the bitch, the car got real lose and didn't want to recover. I managed to get it straight before cresting the hill but was all out of shape for the turn and fell back another position. Attempting to not lose the pack, I tried to go hard into T10 but the back end kept wanting to come around and I had to go wide. Decided to come in as the car didn't fell right. Turns out I had a pinhole in the right rear tire on the inside sidewall.

For Sunday, the hoosier vendor tried some remedies on the punctured tire but it didn't take. We were forced to run the old SM6s for the race and my times showed it. The tires would fall off every few laps and they too a beating in the process. On a positive note I did manage to hit my fastest time on the old tires so that made me feel confident for next time. I just hope all the bad luck is done for this year.
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Two more amazing races at Hallett with Jim.  We each made multiple mistakes in Saturday's race, which led to all the position changes.  We were running 2 wide through multiple corners and down the straights.  Absolutely awesome racing and we didn't even tough mirrors this time!  I did end up setting fast lap and a lowered the record previously held by Charlie James by one tenth.  I still started P2 for Sunday's race due to the Majors qualifying rules.  A method I do not agree with most likely because it has prevented me from starting on pole twice on Sunday this year.  In what situation would a driver go faster in the race than in qualifying on the same day?  Rain? Cold front? Car trouble?  Anyways, whole other thread there.  Sunday's race started much the same as Saturday's with Jim and I checking out early.  I counted 15 laps under Charlie's old record (1:29.0XX) and 7 under the record set on Saturday (1:28.900).  We have never been in the 28s at this track before and to be in the mid 28s lap after lap is crazy!  Virtually no mistakes from Jim in this race.  I was quicker in a couple spots and could get a run, but not enough to complete a pass into the next corner.  I felt I was flying through "The Bitch" and I could hear Jim bouncing on the rev limiter.  I was just hoping for that infamous 2nd to 5th shift!  Didn't happen.  There was a few pass and re-pass situations but Jim made it to the checkers first!  Congrats to Jim on another great race and great weekend!    I want to thank the other SM drivers that came to this race as well.  There may be incidents between drivers that sour a weekend, but I have never heard a negative word about the track.  I encourage others to come to this event next year.  25 laps on a track that doesn't give you a break is a completely different animal, especially with multiple cars in your mirrors.  I am happy to hear the track itself is doing well and will repave the entire track in two weeks.  We have all been promised by other tracks that they will repave/resurface, now we have one that didn't really need it actually doing it!  

 

Thanks for the support from: Race Engineering, Carbotech Brakes, The Vintage Connection, Mazdaspeed, Hoosier Tires, Summit Racing Equipment, & Jesse Prather Motorsports.

 

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I still started P2 for Sunday's race due to the Majors qualifying rules.  A method I do not agree with most likely because it has prevented me from starting on pole twice on Sunday this year.  

I was quicker in a couple spots and could get a run, but not enough to complete a pass into the next corner.  I felt I was flying through "The Bitch" and I could hear Jim bouncing on the rev limiter.
 
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Had not given the qualifying much thought? At all other majors we have run ( to my knowledge)a faster race lap in Saturday's race would put you on the pole for Sunday. Probably should be that way IMO as well.


I watched my rear camera from Sunday. (better than front. You were flying through bitch and beating me there and four pretty badly. You always have a little on me in bitch, but more than normal Sunday. I struggled a little there and in four and you were really on, it magnified it. I will see if I can post a video this week.
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Had not given the qualifying much thought? At all other majors we have run ( to my knowledge)a faster race lap in Saturday's race would put you on the pole for Sunday. Probably should be that way IMO as well.


I watched my rear camera from Sunday. (better than front. You were flying through bitch and beating me there and four pretty badly. You always have a little on me in bitch, but more than normal Sunday. I struggled a little there and in four and you were really on, it magnified it. I will see if I can post a video this week.

Just to be clear Matt is a little better then you at bitching? I highly doubt it!  :)


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Just to be clear Matt is a little better then you at bitching? I highly doubt it!   :)

No, he may be better at a lot, but I have bitching covered hands down! :)

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Just to be clear on the qualifying procedure...

 

Sat Qualifying:

. Jim - 1:28.361

. Matt - 1:28.507

 

Sat Race best lap:

. Matt - 1:28.900

. Jim - 1:28.990

 

The Sunday grid sheet shows (as it should):

 

. Jim - 1:28.361

. Matt - 1:28.507

 

There have been other comments about using one's best lap in either Qualifying or Race.1 to set the grid for Sunday's race, but there are several scenarios in which one could turn a better race lap than they did in qualifying (particularly if there's only one session):

1. mechanical issues in Qual

2. weather issues in Qual

3. less traffic issues in the race (more pertinent to multi-class run groups)

4. driver is new to track and learned more during race

5. for a three-day event, driver couldn't make it on Friday to qualify

 

Counting one's best race lap in addition to any qualifying sessions gives a driver an additional chance to earn her/his "rightful" place in the Feature race, plus it helps satisfy the drivers' requests to (1) have two races and (2) have more racing and less "driving around real fast".

 

On edit - Now that the correct grid sheets for Sunday have been posted, look at Group 2. Nigel Saurino went faster in Saturday's race than he did in Qualifying (and also won FP), so he moved up to third overall for Sunday's race.


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Just to be clear on the qualifying procedure...
 
Sat Qualifying:
. Jim - 1:28.361
. Matt - 1:28.507
 
Sat Race best lap:
. Matt - 1:28.900
. Jim - 1:28.990
 
The Sunday grid sheet shows (as it should):
 
. Jim - 1:28.361
. Matt - 1:28.507
 
There have been other comments about using one's best lap in either Qualifying or Race.1 to set the grid for Sunday's race, but there are several scenarios in which one could turn a better race lap than they did in qualifying (particularly if there's only one session):
1. mechanical issues in Qual
2. weather issues in Qual
3. less traffic issues in the race (more pertinent to multi-class run groups)
4. driver is new to track and learned more during race
5. for a three-day event, driver couldn't make it on Friday to qualify
 
Counting one's best race lap in addition to any qualifying sessions gives a driver an additional chance to earn her/his "rightful" place in the Feature race, plus it helps satisfy the drivers' requests to (1) have two races and (2) have more racing and less "driving around real fast".
 
On edit - Now that the correct grid sheets for Sunday have been posted, look at Group 2. Nigel Saurino went faster in Saturday's race than he did in Qualifying (and also won FP), so he moved up to third overall for Sunday's race.


Butch,

I believe Matt's solution accomplishes the same result, even better it rewards the driver who dials in his/her car over the weekend even if the atmospheric conditions are not conducive to beating a qual time. It rewards those who are driving best later in the weekend. Also these two got to run off with no pressure from behind, I doubt that happens with a deeper field like at the bigger races. Or you could simply make Saturday morning qual time count for Sunday.

Either way seems more pleasing to the masses as you are more likely to improve you starting position.
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Just to be clear on the qualifying procedure...

 

Sat Qualifying:

. Jim - 1:28.361

. Matt - 1:28.507

 

Sat Race best lap:

. Matt - 1:28.900

. Jim - 1:28.990

 

The Sunday grid sheet shows (as it should):

 

. Jim - 1:28.361

. Matt - 1:28.507

 

There have been other comments about using one's best lap in either Qualifying or Race.1 to set the grid for Sunday's race, but there are several scenarios in which one could turn a better race lap than they did in qualifying (particularly if there's only one session):

1. mechanical issues in Qual

2. weather issues in Qual

3. less traffic issues in the race (more pertinent to multi-class run groups)

4. driver is new to track and learned more during race

5. for a three-day event, driver couldn't make it on Friday to qualify

 

Counting one's best race lap in addition to any qualifying sessions gives a driver an additional chance to earn her/his "rightful" place in the Feature race, plus it helps satisfy the drivers' requests to (1) have two races and (2) have more racing and less "driving around real fast".

 

On edit - Now that the correct grid sheets for Sunday have been posted, look at Group 2. Nigel Saurino went faster in Saturday's race than he did in Qualifying (and also won FP), so he moved up to third overall for Sunday's race.

 

 

Butch,

 

I understand the qualifying procedure; I just don't agree with it, and keep in mind I may be biased because I have been on the wrong end of this procedure twice so far this year.  Points 1-5 also support using the best lap times from Saturday's race to set the grid for Sunday's race.  Under this format, Nigel Saurino would have still started P3. 

 

My point is that those who do not experience some sort of incident during the qualifying and actually improve their time relative to others on the same track at the same time under the same weather conditions are not rewarded.  We made a set up change for Saturday's race and the result was the fastest lap time of that session.  The same thing happened to me at the Eagle's Canyon Majors. I was placed 3rd on the grid for Sunday's race despite having the fastest lap time of the Saturday race session. 

 

Again, had the current format affected me positively, I may not even be commenting on the topic.

 

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