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Poll: Short-term solution for non-compliant cars (116 member(s) have cast votes)

Select the best short-term policy for cars believed to be non-compliant due to "plunge cut blending"

  1. Just let them finish the season as-is (37 votes [31.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.90%

  2. Do not allow them to race at all and if caught apply full penalty (30 votes [25.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.86%

  3. Allow them to race in a temporary class as recommended by the SCCA (6 votes [5.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.17%

  4. Allow them to race with a weight penalty to be determined (29 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  5. I don't know or don't care but want to see the results (13 votes [11.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.21%

  6. Other - explain below (1 votes [0.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.86%

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Steve Scheifler

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Let's see where this community stands on letting suspect or non-compliant cars finish the season.
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How about fix it before you show up. (just want to see)

 

I understand SCCA trying to get everyone to run.

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For me it's simple.  The club took a position on the rules in Laguna (right/wrong doesn't matter at this point).  Right now that is the law of the land in SM.  Until they are changed, or IF, non compliant cars if/when caught should be DQ'd.

 

We don't need a SM1 (or whatever) to allow suspected cars a place to run.  That is a poor precedent to set.  If the SCCA was worried about their pocketbook going forward then I guess maybe they should have came to a different conclusion at the Runoffs.  In my opinion, SM1 is a sleazy attempt by the club to still take the racers money.


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None of the above.  Make a decision on new rule or not by early next week.  Until then (this weekend) the rules have not changed.  


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I will be running my car as is at the next TWS race.  If you have the money and balls to protest me, please feel free.  I am confident my head is legal.  

 

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I will be running my car as is at the next TWS race.  If you have the money and balls to protest me, please feel free.  I am confident my head is legal.  

 

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You bringing the 99 or 01?


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How about fix it before you show up. (just want to see)

I understand SCCA trying to get everyone to run.
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I think that would be option 2?
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None of the above. Make a decision on new rule or not by early next week. Until then (this weekend) the rules have not changed.


Pretty aggressive time-wise, but if they did that and the new rule would make many of the cars non-compliant, the poll question still stands.
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I think that would be option 2?

 

I can see it now..."Do not allow them to race"

Tech at the front gate, right ??

Or we on the honor system ??

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Funny, but I think the SCCA is trying to make concessions for those who know or suspect they are stuck with one of these engines and chooses to be honest about that. Just seems to me that alone is worth a little consideration and I applaud the club's effort, if not their specific choice of a solution.
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For me it's simple.  The club took a position on the rules in Laguna (right/wrong doesn't matter at this point).  Right now that is the law of the land in SM.  Until they are changed, or IF, non compliant cars if/when caught should be DQ'd.

 

We don't need a SM1 (or whatever) to allow suspected cars a place to run.  That is a poor precedent to set.  If the SCCA was worried about their pocketbook going forward then I guess maybe they should have came to a different conclusion at the Runoffs.  In my opinion, SM1 is a sleazy attempt by the club to still take the racers money.

 

Pretty sure any of the cylinder heads in question are compliant for STL.  So there's already a class to run in.  Also there's already ITE,A,S in many regions.  That's another option.  Not sure why they'd even make up SM1.


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I honestly dont thing option 1 in the poll is an option at all...

 

I would feel terrible if I was allowed to race and possibly win when drivers like Drennan and other were denied their finish possitions in the most important race of the year, how that makes sense to anyone I have no understanding.  

 

I dont think my car and many others should be allowed to race in SM untill they are either deemed legal or changed to fit whatever rules we are running under. 

 

The club wants to have their cake and eat it to... Dont we all???  


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For regional points: new class

 

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This isn't about the club wanting to have their cake and eat it to - recognize there are two groups at work here:

 

1. The "promoter" side of the house that organizes races for the members to compete in and have fun.  They are responsible for filling fields, herding cats and paying bills.

 

2.  The tech side of the house, SOM and COA, which are tasked with enforcing the rules as they are regardless of the repercussions.

 

It's OK for these two groups to be at odds with each other implicitly or explicitly.  It's also up to them to petition to have the rules or processes changed if they don't feel aligned. 


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Pretty aggressive time-wise, but if they did that and the new rule would make many of the cars non-compliant, the poll question still stands.

 

The engine beef (if there ultimately is one) is between the seller and the customer in my mind.  The club's decision shouldn't be difficult or lengthy.  Get a few people in a room, spread a few heads out on the table, get some consensus on whether or not a plunge cut can be "trimmed or cleaned up".  If yes, define that.  If not keep the rule what it is.  If a short term allowance to allow a slightly non-compliant head is to be offered, then pick a weight penalty and a timeframe.  Could do what we've done with tires, grandfather them in through the first 2 majors events in each conference for the year.  After that, conform to the rules.  


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You bringing the 99 or 01?


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This isn't about the club wanting to have their cake and eat it to - recognize there are two groups at work here:

 

1. The "promoter" side of the house that organizes races for the members to compete in and have fun.  They are responsible for filling fields, herding cats and paying bills.

 

2.  The tech side of the house, SOM and COA, which are tasked with enforcing the rules as they are regardless of the repercussions.

 

It's OK for these two groups to be at odds with each other implicitly or explicitly.  It's also up to them to petition to have the rules or processes changed if they don't feel aligned. 

 

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Let them run, as is, in IT. or. I have 9 street 99-00 running cars with real stock heads available to swap for out of compliant ones. You do the labor and grind off a recognizable chunk so they can never be used to race as an SM head again---- but perhaps carry over reward weights would work easier and cheaper to equalize podium cars + penalties for higher trap speed readings for non-finishing cars and sandbaggers. Spend all you want. Seal on engine after races and let normal attrition weed them out. . PS Didn't out of spec parts used to be kept by SCCA?



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Does anyone know is the perceived advantage is as a power/torque % ?



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Most plunge cuts are well shy of the 12 mm allowed. If you feel you must fix your head and your engine builder didn't play in the STR, redo the plunge cut within the 12 mm depth, clean head, reassemble and go racing. All can be accomplished within 12 hours at home.

Now what tool do you use for the plunge cut. None are specified so go to town, just don't leave too smooth of a transition or your head may again be deemed non-compliant.
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