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Even though there happens to be a specific rule in this case (which you would have known had you bothered to read the rules), that isn't how the GCR (and itost racing rule books) work. The onus isn't on others to show you where it says you can't do something.  You need to show where in the rules it says you can.  By your logic I'll ask, "Show me where in the rules it says I can't go to all my competitors' cars in grid before the race and let the air out of their tires.(*)"  Creative interpretation of the rules "intent" is why we have a 900+ page rule book in the first place.
 
* Yeah, yeah, you could probably quote 2.1.7. Acting in an unsportsmanlike manner. So I'll just make sure Brady is at the event and he lets the air out of the tires. :P


Todd, I read the fing rules. Not once, not twice but proably once a month in some part. So give me a break. Ive read the sections have put up here. I initially interpreted that section in a very different way. And because I did interpret in a different way, my asking fir someone to show me is asking for something that I didn't think existed. Not an action to cover up laziness. No, we have a 900 word rule book because the "words" are inadequate to convey intent so guys go in violating the intent because the words allow them to.

You are being as obtuse as me. I dont like that. That is my domain. And as a narcissistic bastard, that is unacceptable.
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I initially interpreted that section in a very different way.

 

How do you interpret this as being able to change the cam timing: "Cam timing must not be altered"?!?  Anyway, that is besides the point.  You asked for someone to prove a negative.  That isn't how it works.  You need to provide the relevant sections that you think allow you to do something and people will chime in as to whether they agree or if they feel that the rules don't support your position.


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Phew!

 

So who is going to win the Frank Todaro "Well Endowed" award???

 

Err, Hmmm, you could start the competition by posting a selfeeee. :bigsquaregrin:

 

Ron, would you consider being the judge and handing out the awards?  

 

Sorry David...PG-13 site right? Plus I'm not up for the award...no posts for me!

 

Tom...that would be the swinging big dick door knocker? 

 

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Todd, I interpreted it as meaning I cant physically modify the cam to alter the timing.

And exactly! You can't prove a negative. If the rule didnt exist that prevented me from changing it, I wouldnt be able to find it to show you it allowed me would i? But you could prove that one existed that prevented me like many did. Right?
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You may not, legally, change the cam timing by any means.  For what it is worth, the dyno runs on the 1.6 did not show any improvement when the variable cam gears were installed.



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But you could prove that one existed that prevented me like many did. Right?

Not always and that is my point.  Show me the rule that says I can't jump out of my car with my portable transponder in the pits and just walk back and forth across the timing loop a few times and then jump back in my car and drive it for the rest of the race with a nice several-lap lead.  The rules don't cover every inane scenario we racers can come up with. That's why we use the initialism "IIDSYCTYC" (If it doesn't say you can, then you can't.)  Read the rules as, "I cannot do anything to my car unless the rules say I can."  That covers all negatives.


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Show me the rule that says I can't jump out of my car with my portable transponder in the pits and just walk back and forth across the timing loop a few times and then jump back in my car and drive it for the rest of the race with a nice several-lap lead.

How about just for qualifying? I could start it right after a fast go passes s/f and then a 100 ft before he crosses again :)

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Exactly, not always. It isn't the absolute you presented. When I think I have reviewed the rules and don't think anything prevents me, it is absolutely appropriate for me to ask; show me what prevents me.

 

As far as the IIDSYCTYC rule; yeah right. First, that rule can be used in the ridiculous too. Second; yeah right. Like I am going to let that restrain me in "developing" my car. Demonstrate that that rule is alive and well and being used in practice by all the garages that I hear tale I have to go with in order to win, and I will start honoring the "spirit" of that rule. Until then; I am going with the Meathead philosophy that says there is nothing in the rules that says I can't be smarter than the next guy. Which means; look for areas in the rules that can be exploited because they are not defined. The head concentricity from the runoffs is a good example. Where in the rules does it say you can offset the plunge cut? It doesn't. It was a righteous exploit by those garages. As matter of fact it was a beautifully artistic exploit of the lack of defining words.

 

Out of curiosity; has anyone been DQed with IIDSYCYC rule cited as the reason? All the DQs I have seen cite specific passages.


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How about just for qualifying? I could start it right after a fast go passes s/f and then a 100 ft before he crosses again :)

Then you are doing it all wrong.  You don't get anything for qualifying first.  Qualify last, starting from the pits, and use my method and you'll also get the hard charger award (guaranteed from last to first in one lap). The video might not be quite as entertaining as the one Joey posted here though. :)


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For Q, especially on a hot day, put some dry ice in the fuel tank a little bit before you go out.  It will cool the fuel down.  Ice cold fuel running through the system.  mmmmmm






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