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Poll: Does the 1.6 need help? (66 member(s) have cast votes)

Should the 1.6 be given some concessions for parity?

  1. No, it is fine as-is (9 votes [13.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.64%

  2. Yes, it needs a little help (49 votes [74.24%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 74.24%

  3. Yes, it needs a lot of help (8 votes [12.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.12%

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Stopped racing my 1.6, it is not competitive anymore in the SEast division majors. 1.6 is fun but extremely difficult car to drive compaired to NB.

I dont know much about what the rest of the country is doing but the car needs some love.

 

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The level of driving in SM is something not seen in any other class, IMO, so even if the 1.6 became an overdog, to drive it for 45 minutes at the front is something else entirely.


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Stopped racing my 1.6, it is not competitive anymore in the SEast division majors. 1.6 is fun but extremely difficult car to drive compaired to NB.

I dont know much about what the rest of the country is doing but the car needs some love.

 

 

Straight from the man that owned the top prep example everyone refers to. Any retorts?

 

PS: My new excuse - "extremely difficult car to drive compaired to NB"


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Thanks for all the feedback guys.... :pessimist:......all points well taken.

 

i will go back to the proverbial chalk board and try to set up my car better....and of course work on my driving.

 

however, somewhere along the way i bought into the whole affordable, "cost containment" thing...admittedly i would not spend the money to get my car up to national class level but winning the run-offs is not my goal,

 

since the poll is out there and the discussion is open, my vote is still for the "needs a lot of help".......at the very least it provides the budget race things to do to incease performance and have more fun out there weather competitive or not.

 

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Stopped racing my 1.6, it is not competitive anymore in the SEast division majors. 1.6 is fun but extremely difficult car to drive compaired to NB.
I dont know much about what the rest of the country is doing but the car needs some love.

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The level of driving in SM is something not seen in any other class, IMO, so even if the 1.6 became an overdog, to drive it for 45 minutes at the front is something else entirely.


Todd, why do you think the 1.6 is significantly more difficult to drive at the limit? Is it primarily the compromised geometry when the car is lowered? Now that we an get more camber up front without going so low, might there be a net benefit from running a bit higher? At the moment our cars are fairly high but the control arms & steering still start on the wrong side of horizontal, but we can't go up much more and still get enough rear camber. So again we are stuck between compromises and can't evaluate the trade offs between geometry and overall height.
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Todd, why do you think the 1.6 is significantly more difficult to drive at the limit? Is it primarily the compromised geometry when the car is lowered? Now that we an get more camber up front without going so low, might there be a net benefit from running a bit higher? At the moment our cars are fairly high but the control arms & steering still start on the wrong side of horizontal, but we can't go up much more and still get enough rear camber. So again we are stuck between compromises and can't evaluate the trade offs between geometry and overall height.

 

Personally I don't think the car is significantly harder to drive. If anything it just reacts quicker, so your reflexes and car control better be on point.

 

That being said, and this has been brought up before, I feel the car is harder to race, maybe that is what Buras was trying to say? We'll see what he responds.

 

It is VERY hard to defend a position in a 1.6. If I take a defensive line into a corner, I will be lower in the rpm curve and the lack of torque will kill me on exit - I will very likely be passed on the straight. On the other hand, if a 1.8 takes a defensive line ahead of me, he can use his torque on corner exit to maintain his position. Because of this, there are some corners on every track where I will simply not attack a 1.8, even if I get a good run, because I know I will lose the side by side drag race off the corner and just slow us both down.

 

I agree with the majority of the poll, the 1.6 needs something, but not much.

 

edit: I feel this is a good time to repost my 1.6 parity comics

 

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You should have just made a poll that asked whether you owned an NA or not ... LOL

 

IMO, the biggest thing that makes the 1.6 harder to drive is the lesser torque and the "heat soak" power loss ... thus requiring you to drive 10.5/10ths to hang on to the field.  I also think the 1.6 has always been looser (this is verified by the overall calculated wheel rates versus the other cars) and bitchier under braking. 

 

Some guys have no problem with the 1.6 inherent looseness ... but many do, which is probably why so many 1.6s run soft rear/stiff front.


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Actually the voting is NOT divided down the ownership lines....

 

voted "Yes, needs a LITLE help": 

 

 
Without actually counting all the NB owners...there are quite a lot of tNB owners on the list above. 
 
I personally haven't voted, because I honestly don't know.  I have only been racing this year, and I have yet to exit a corner thinking I had a run and was going to make a pass only to have the pass fail because of a perceived (or real) lack of power/torque...or caught/followed someone to mid-corner only to have them pull me by a length or two when we clearly got on the throttle at the same moment. 
 
So, I have no personal evidence to support a "yes..." vote.  That said, I can't ignore the votes above from people who SHOULD know.  The landslide bipartisan vote for "a little help" that includes some of the very best in this class gives me pause from placing a "no, its fine" vote. 
 

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Has anyone looked at a drag package for the NB's ?

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Has anyone looked at a drag package for the NB's ?

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How about this one?

 

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