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Members of the German government have just passed a resolution to ban the sale of internal combustion engines in the European Union by 2030. Only zero-emissions vehicles would be allowed on the market after that time, according to the resolution.

 

German news magazine Der Spiegel broke the news on Saturday; an English-language report on the resolution can be found at Forbes. The resolution was passed in Germany's Bundesrat, the nation's legislative body representing the sixteen German states, with across-the-aisle support.

 

The resolution implores the EU Commission to ban the sale of new vehicles powered by gasoline or diesel internal-combustion engines starting in 2030; vehicles sold before the ban would still be allowed, but after 2030, automakers would be banned from selling new fossil fuel-powered vehicles in the EU. As Bertel Schmitt at Forbes points out, the Bundesrat has no direct authority over the EU, and cannot demand changes to the EU's transportation regulations. But with the largest government and most powerful economy in the EU, German government decisions exert huge influence over the EU and the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe.

 

According to Der Spiegel, the Bundesrat's resolutions encourages the EU Commission to "review the current practices of taxation and dues with regard to a stimulation of emission-free mobility," seemingly meaning an increase in EU incentives to automakers to bring more zero-emissions offerings to the market. It also seems to encourage broad changes to the EU's current practice of placing lower taxes on diesel fuel, a decision made by the EU years ago to encourage increased adoption of diesel-powered vehicles to reduce fuel consumption across the 28 member nations.

 

The EU's diesel-friendly fuel tax setup led to diesels making up more than half of annual new car sales since roughly 2010. But the move seems to have unintentionally created an automotive pollution crisis, with Volkswagen's diesel emissions cheating scandal ongoing, and evidence of similar deception at numerous other European automakers.

 

The German Bundesrat's decision dovetails with the Paris Climate Agreement, a UN agreement to combat greenhouse gas emissions starting in 2020. To meet the agreement, Germany must reduce its CO2 emissions by 95 percent by the year 2050; the auto industry makes up about 2.7 percent of Germany's gross domestic product, and vehicles and vehicle components are 20 percent of that nation's exports.

 

Partly in response to recent emissions scandals, European automakers are expressing a newfound interest in electric vehicles and other zero-emissions drivetrains. At the Paris Motor Show just a few days ago, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Renault, Volkswagen and numerous other automakers all showed concept cars and future products that focus on emissions-free driving, whether via battery-electric or some other form of propulsion.

 

We have not yet seen a direct response from the German auto industry to the Bundesrat's proposals. Any statements from automakers will be added to this post.


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Not incuraging for those of us who like combustion engines
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Fine by me - more gas for America!

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My original thought was would Mazda have a zero-emissions vehicles to sell by then ??

 

SkyActiv Technology at least so far, isn't going to cut it.

 

Now is this a none issue where you can get a gas guzzler in France or Poland and drive it over the border ??

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Doesn't matter. All cars will be autonomous by then.
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Not incuraging for those of us who like combustion engines

Not to worry Ralph, she's playing upmanship with Obama.


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So what do you think about global warming ? A bunch of crap ?

 

Ice melting, water rising a weather condition ?

 

Don't know, don't care, live for the moment ??

 

How do you think it's going to be for your grand kids ??

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So what do you think about global warming ? A bunch of crap ?

 

Ice melting, water rising a weather condition ?

 

Don't know, don't care, live for the moment ??

 

How do you think it's going to be for your grand kids ??

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I believe the climate is changing and has changed.  However, the climate changed significantly long before man was burning things which means climate change is a natural process.  What impact man has had on this is tough to nail down particularly when some of the climate alarmist data has been admittedly modified to fit the narrative and considering other evidence such as the increasing sun energy and increasing antarctic ice has also been published.   A clean environment though is great for many other reasons so we should continue to develop clean environmental energy and practices IMO. 


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What caught my attention several years ago was a tv program which showed the Antarctic dark colored snow which created quicker melt conditions. Do I believe the darker snow came from us :yep: 


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What caught my attention several years ago was a tv program which showed the Antarctic dark colored snow which created quicker melt conditions. Do I believe the darker snow came from us :yep:

 

So do you make any effort ?

 

Wait for laws to be passed ?

 

China's way worse, let them clean up theirs first ?

 

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In fact I have made an effort to increase my contribution to cleaner air to offset for my contribution from my Spec Miata.. Eliminated my burn pit, no longer burn leaves in the fall and street drive a four cylinder vehicle. While not stomping on the gas pedal. China is way to busy constructing their world famous structures to worry of their contributions to cleaner air. :bigsquaregrin:


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We are currently in what is called an interglacial period, which is a warming period between glacial periods (ice ages).  The last glacial period ended about 11-12 thousand years ago.  This cycle is caused by variations in earth's orbit and has been occurring for the past couple million years, which is way before humans got here.  The earth is warming by itself which is causing the ice caps to melt (not humans).  If we switch to all electric cars, it wont do a damn thing in the end.  Can we have a clean environment and help slow the warming rate down to what it should be naturally? Sure, I would agree.  Unless NASA can figure out how to eliminate the variations in the earth's orbit, global warming is going to happen whether you do something about it or not. 

 

Quick summary:

Is global warming real? YES

Are we the cause of it?  NO

Are we speeding it up?  SURE

Is it going to happen anyways no matter what laws we pass or changes we make?  YES

 

 

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We are currently in what is called an interglacial period, which is a warming period between glacial periods (ice ages).  The last glacial period ended about 11-12 thousand years ago.  This cycle is caused by variations in earth's orbit and has been occurring for the past couple million years, which is way before humans got here.  The earth is warming by itself which is causing the ice caps to melt (not humans).  If we switch to all electric cars, it wont do a damn thing in the end.  Can we have a clean environment and help slow the warming rate down to what it should be naturally? Sure, I would agree.  Unless NASA can figure out how to eliminate the variations in the earth's orbit, global warming is going to happen whether you do something about it or not. 

 

Quick summary:

Is global warming real? YES

Are we the cause of it?  NO

Are we speeding it up?  SURE

Is it going to happen anyways no matter what laws we pass or changes we make?  YES

 

 

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My college education

National Climate Data Center of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

 

I agree, so do you make an effort ??

 

What's your take on Prius/Tesla Batteries/cell being ship all over the world to assemble/MFG ?

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I make an effort by eating more cows so there is less methane in the air and by eating less plants so there is more oxygen in the air :)


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LOL, maybe you'll not have to worry about that with CA leading the way it appears.

 

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Actually, many large dairy farms are capturing methane from the cow manure to power/heat there farms.


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Nice, I like the efficiency. Worser of two evel's ??  burn vs release of Methane.

 

Has there been Barn explosions? I haven't been keeping up.

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I make an effort by eating more cows so there is less methane in the air and by eating less plants so there is more oxygen in the air :)

Actually you're increasing demand for beef every time you buy it so you are contributing to methane emissions you horrible person you  :)


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