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[pfrichardson]

...are posted:

 

https://www.scca.com.../cars-and-rules

[Johnny D]

http://cdn.growasset....pdf?1481489840

 

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2. #20754 (Jason Stine) Proposal For Club Racing SWAT Team
Thank you for your thoughts.
The CRB fulfills the roles you mention in your letter. 
Those interested in CRB membership should get experience through an Advisory Committee. 
If interested, please submit your resume to an Advisory Committee at crbscca.com.

 

Not recommended

SM
1. #19991 (David Wheeler) Allow Replacement Drive Shaft U-Joints
Thank you for your letter.
SM cars must use a Mazda drive shaft and u-joints.
Mazda is working on reducing the price to the racer.

 
2. #20048 (Spec Miata Committee) Track Width Changes
The rules are adequate as written.

 
3. #20596 (Tom Sager) Help the 94-97 Miata
Thank you for your letter.
Recent rule changes for the 94-97 have been implemented to ensure parity. The
CRB will continue to monitor parity for all model years.

 
4. #20717 (Alberto Goncalves) Additional Weight Reduction Options
Thank you for your letter.
All model years can achieve minimum weight with proper preparation. 
The rules are adequate as written

 

Recommended for 2017

 

The following subjects will be referred to the Board of Directors for approval. Address all comments, both for
and against, to the Club Racing Board. It is the BoD’s policy to withhold voting on a rules change until there
has been input from the membershipon the presented rules. Member input is suggested and encouraged.
Please send your comments via the form at www.clubracingboard.com.

 

GCR
1. #20618 (Jim Rogaski) Chief Steward Powers
The CRB recommends this rule be implemented
3/1/2017
.
The Executive Stewards would like to add the ability of probation to the penalty options available to the Chief
Steward. This would bring the list of potential penalties in line with the powers of the Race Director at Majors
events.

 
The Executives would like to restrict the length of probation a Chief Steward can assign to a maximum of 3
race weekends. Any longer probation period would be handled through the RFA process and would go to
the SOMs for a decision.

 
Since the Chief Steward probation would be done with a CSA, it was agreed that no driver license points
would be assessed. If it was felt that points should be assessed, then the RFA process should be used.

 

The reasoning is that at times it is necessary to get a driver's attention, but not have to put them through the
full blown RFA process of interviews, witnesses, written statements, etc.

 
Add 5.12.3.C.11: 11. Impose up to a three race weekend probation.

 
SM
1. #19597 (Spec Miata Committee) VIN Codes vs. Model Year
The CRB recommends this rule change be implemented 6/1/2017
.
Change 9.1.7A: A. PURPOSE AND INTENT

 
The Spec Miata (SM) class is intended to provide the membership with the opportunity to compete in low
cost, production -based cars with limited modifications, suitable for racing competition. 
The rules are intentionally designed to be more open than the Showroom Stock class but more restricted than the
Improved Touring class.

 

The original OEM vehicle identification number (VIN) stamped on the firewall
shall correspond with the model year automobile classified. VIN plates or stampings shall remain in place
, with the firewall VIN taking precedence.

 
There must be at least one VIN plate or stamping on the dashboard or
chassis that corresponds with the model year automobile classified

 

Recommended for 2018

 

The following subjects will be referred to the Board of Directors for approval. Address all comments, both for
and against, to the Club Racing Board. It is the BoD’s policy to withhold voting on a rules change until there
has been input from the membership on the presented rules. Member input is suggested and encouraged.
Please send your comments via the form at www.clubracingboard.com.

 

GCR
1. #20215 (Todd Butler) Class Management Changes and 2.5 Rule Elimination
This letter published in the December 2016 Fastrack Minutes has been revised below per the
December 2016 Board of Directors Meeting.

 
3.7.3.4.A Invitations to the SCCA Runoffs –
Changes Effective
1/1/17 1/1/18
A. Invitations to the SCCA Runoffs

 
Three distinct paths exist for qualifying for a Runoffs invitation. Invitations are issued to all drivers
in invited each Runoffs-eligible class based on the following minimum qualifications:

 
3.7.3.4.
C Invited Runoffs Classes– Changes Effective 1/1/17 1/1/18

 
C. Invited Runoffs Classes

 

Club Racing in consultation with Club Racing Board will determine the number of Runoffs
-eligible classes invited to the Runoffs consistent with the event format and venue.

 
All Runoffs eligible classes are invited to the Runoffs.

1. A Runoffs-eligible class with a minimum of 10 qualified drivers entered who have participated in at least
one on track session at the current year’s Runoffs will name a National Champion.

 
2. A Runoffs-eligible class with fewer than 10 qualified drivers entered who have participated in at least one
on track session at the current year’s Runoffs will name a National Champion but subsequently be on

 probation for the following year’s Runoffs. Should a class on probation at the Runoffs fail to have a minimum of 10 qualified drivers enter and participate in at least one on-track session the year it is on probation, that class may run as a supplemental class but will not name a National Champion.

 
3. Classes may be combined as needed to limit the number of race groups with a preference for combining
no more than 2 classes for any race.

 
9.1.13 Runoffs-Eligible Class Participation Requirements (changes effective 1/1/18)

 

Eliminate the existing GCR Sections 9.1.13 A. B. C. D. and Notes 1 and 2 that contain references to the 2.5 rule. Replace with:

A.  Annually, the Club
Racing Board shallreview participation numbers for Majors and Runoffs classes.
Classes that do not maintain sufficient participation numbers will have one year to improve their participation
level. If the class does not improve, it will be either incorporated into an existing class or become a Regional only Class.
  All Runoffs-eligible classes participating in Majors events will not automatically be invited to the
Runoffs (See 3.7.4.C Invited Runoffs Classes)
 

 B.  A Regional Class (except Improved Touring) may be reviewed by the CRB to become a Runoffs-eligible
Class able to participate in Majors.

 
C.  The CRB may recommend creating
Runoffs-eligible classes for BoD approval.
  Runoffs-eligible classes, created under this section, will have at least three years to achieve sufficient participation numbers in
Runoffs-eligible races before being consolidated or redefined as a Regional Class.

 
D. The CRB may designate a Runoffs Demonstration Class that would be eligible for the current Runoffs,
only.

 
A. A class retains its Runoffs
-eligible status as long as its annual average number of entries achieves 2.5 or
higher per Runoffs
-eligible ra
ce. (This section has been suspended by the Board of Directors until 2015. See
the BoD minutes from the October 2013 meeting in the November 2013 Fastrack.)
B. Should that annual average number of entries fall below 2.5, the class will have one additional
year to
bring the participation level above the current requirement. Alternatively, it may be immediately consolidated
into an existing class. If the class does not exceed the current average requirement during the grace year, it
will either be consolidat
ed into existing classes or become a Regional Class. (This section has been
suspended by the Board of Directors until 2015. See the BoD minutes from the October 2013 meeting in the
November 2013 Fastrack.)
C. Based on member input, a Regional Class (except Improved Touring) meeting or exceeding the
participation requirements outlined in paragraph
9.1.13.A.
for 1 year may be reviewed to become a Runoffs
-
eligible Class.
D. Based on member or manufacturer input, the CRB may recom
mend creating new Runoffs
-eligible
classes for BoD approval. Runoffs
-eligible classes created under this section have 5 years to achieve an
average of 2.5 cars per Runoffs
-eligible race before being consolidated or redefined as a Regional Class,
according
to 9.1.13.B.
Note 1:
For the purposes of this section, the term “entries” is defined as drivers classified in the final official
race results of Runoffs
-eligible races as finishers, did
-not
-finish (DNF), did
-not
-start (DNS), or disqualified
(DQ).
Note 2:
Classes such as Improved Touring, Super Production, A Sports Racing, and Formula S (Regional
and Optional Regional Classes) have been developed for competitors to race at a Regional level. These
classes will not be eligible for National races since they w
ere created with the express understanding that
they remain Regional Classes only. There may be other classes added to this philosophy, as we identify
classes for our members to race cars that do not fit within our Runoffs
-eligible racing program.
 

[Johnny D]

What Do You Think
GCR
1. #20619 (Jim Rogaski) Clarification of Yellow Flag Rules
The Club Racing Board seeks your feedback on the proposal below. 
Please send your comments to crbscca.com.

 
The intent of this request is to open up a dialog with the racing community to get better language in the GCR
to assist drivers in better understanding what the club's intent for incident safety should be. In 2016 there
were several incidents of EVs being hit or nearly hit during yellow flag situations. Several tracks that use
track staff for EV response will no longer do hot track extractions unless the course is either under a black
flag all or full course safety car use. This proposed clarification would allow penalizing individual
drivers instead of Black Flag All or Full Course Yellow impacting the entire field.

 
This proposal from the Executive Stewards would change the language to more clearly state the intent of SLOW DOWN and what the possible ramification may
be if drivers don't slow down.
The purposed language change is as follows:

 
2016 Current Yellow Flag Rules
6.1. FLAGS
Flags convey the commands or information indicated below. They must be obeyed immediately and without
question. The content of this section cannot be amended by any event Supplemental Regulations.

 
6.1.1. Meaning of Each Flag
B. YELLOW FLAG (Solid Yellow)
STANDING YELLOW– Take care, Danger, Slow Down, NO PASSING FROM THE FLAG until past the emergency area.

 

WAVED– Great Danger, Slow Down, be prepared to stop– NO PASSING FROM THE FLAG until past the
emergency area.

 
DOUBLE YELLOW, DISPLAYED AT ALL STATIONS – Indicates the entire course is under yellow (full
course yellow). All stations will display double yellow flags for all pace and safety car laps. SLOW DOWN,
NO PASSING. However, cars may carefully pass emergency vehicles and other cars that are disabled or off
pace (see 6.6.2.).

 
NOTE: A driver may encounter several flags before reaching the emergency area. The requirements are still the same: SLOW DOWN, NO PASSING.

 

Proposed 2017 Yellow Flag Rule Change

 
STANDING YELLOW
– You are approaching an incident where your and other's safety are at risk. The
racing surface may be clear but there is immediate danger to you or others if you left the racing surface.
Slow significantly and proceed though the incident at a reduced speed. If you are observed at too high a rate

of speed you may be given a Black Flag for a drive through or other penalty. Drive through
penalties are not protestable. There is no passing from the flag until past the emergency incident.

 
WAVING – You are approaching an incident that has great danger to you and others. The racing surface
may be partially or completely blocked. Slow significantly and be prepared to stop. All efforts should be
made to proceed through a Waving Yellow Flag in single file order. If you are observed at too high a rate of
speed you may be given a Black Flag for a drive through or other penalty. Drive through
penalties are not protestable. There is no passing from the flag until past the emergency incident.

 
The no passing zone starts at a perpendicular line across the track from the flag and ends at a perpendicular
line across the track from the last component of the incident causing the yellow flag. The last component
may be the car, driver, responding officials, other vehicles and/or large debris.

 
SM
1. #20525 (Dave W
heeler) Allow Suspension Upgrades
The CRB is seeking feedback on the following proposals for SM. 
Please respond with your choice to implement Proposal A and/or Proposal B or neither.

 
Proposal A
.
Allow intractability between listed NA and NB suspension components. i.e., NA components may be used on NB and vice versa.

 
Listed components:

 
All A-arms front and rear upper and lower.
Front spindles
Rear subframe
Rear Hub Support
(Rear uprights)

 
NOTE: some of these components have already been superseded by Mazda

 

Proposal B.
Allow intractability between listed NA and NB suspension components. i.e., NA components may be used on
NB and vice versa. This proposal may be subject to a weight penalty.

 
Listed components:
Front Subframe
Steering Rack and Tie Rods
Front sway bars.

[Bench Racer]

 

 
SM
1. #19597 (Spec Miata Committee) VIN Codes vs. Model Year
The CRB recommends this rule change be implemented 6/1/2017
.
Change 9.1.7A: A. PURPOSE AND INTENT

 
The Spec Miata (SM) class is intended to provide the membership with the opportunity to compete in low
cost, production -based cars with limited modifications, suitable for racing competition. 
The rules are intentionally designed to be more open than the Showroom Stock class but more restricted than the
Improved Touring class.

 

The original OEM vehicle identification number (VIN) stamped on the firewall
shall correspond with the model year automobile classified. VIN plates or stampings shall remain in place
, with the firewall VIN taking precedence.

 
There must be at least one VIN plate or stamping on the dashboard or
chassis that corresponds with the model year automobile classified

 

 

^  It was a long time coming. Thank you SMAC/CRB

 

What Do You Think
GCR
1. #20619 (Jim Rogaski) Clarification of Yellow Flag Rules
The Club Racing Board seeks your feedback on the proposal below. 
Please send your comments to crbscca.com.

 
The intent of this request is to open up a dialog with the racing community to get better language in the GCR
to assist drivers in better understanding what the club's intent for incident safety should be. In 2016 there
were several incidents of EVs being hit or nearly hit during yellow flag situations. Several tracks that use
track staff for EV response will no longer do hot track extractions unless the course is either under a black
flag all or full course safety car use. This proposed clarification would allow penalizing individual
drivers instead of Black Flag All or Full Course Yellow impacting the entire field.

 
This proposal from the Executive Stewards would change the language to more clearly state the intent of SLOW DOWN and what the possible ramification may
be if drivers don't slow down.
The purposed language change is as follows:

 
2016 Current Yellow Flag Rules
6.1. FLAGS
Flags convey the commands or information indicated below. They must be obeyed immediately and without
question. The content of this section cannot be amended by any event Supplemental Regulations.

 
6.1.1. Meaning of Each Flag
B. YELLOW FLAG (Solid Yellow)
STANDING YELLOW– Take care, Danger, Slow Down, NO PASSING FROM THE FLAG until past the emergency area.

 

WAVED– Great Danger, Slow Down, be prepared to stop– NO PASSING FROM THE FLAG until past the
emergency area.

 
DOUBLE YELLOW, DISPLAYED AT ALL STATIONS – Indicates the entire course is under yellow (full
course yellow). All stations will display double yellow flags for all pace and safety car laps. SLOW DOWN,
NO PASSING. However, cars may carefully pass emergency vehicles and other cars that are disabled or off
pace (see 6.6.2.).

 
NOTE: A driver may encounter several flags before reaching the emergency area. The requirements are still the same: SLOW DOWN, NO PASSING.

 

Proposed 2017 Yellow Flag Rule Change

 
STANDING YELLOW
– You are approaching an incident where your and other's safety are at risk. The
racing surface may be clear but there is immediate danger to you or others if you left the racing surface.
Slow significantly and proceed though the incident at a reduced speed. If you are observed at too high a rate

of speed you may be given a Black Flag for a drive through or other penalty. Drive through
penalties are not protestable. There is no passing from the flag until past the emergency incident.

 
WAVING – You are approaching an incident that has great danger to you and others. The racing surface
may be partially or completely blocked. Slow significantly and be prepared to stop. All efforts should be
made to proceed through a Waving Yellow Flag in single file order. If you are observed at too high a rate of
speed you may be given a Black Flag for a drive through or other penalty. Drive through
penalties are not protestable. There is no passing from the flag until past the emergency incident.

 
The no passing zone starts at a perpendicular line across the track from the flag and ends at a perpendicular
line across the track from the last component of the incident causing the yellow flag. The last component
may be the car, driver, responding officials, other vehicles and/or large debris.

 

 

 

 

SM
1. #20525 (Dave W
heeler) Allow Suspension Upgrades
The CRB is seeking feedback on the following proposals for SM. 
Please respond with your choice to implement Proposal A and/or Proposal B or neither.

 
Proposal A
.
Allow intractability between listed NA and NB suspension components. i.e., NA components may be used on NB and vice versa.

 
Listed components:

 
All A-arms front and rear upper and lower.
Front spindles
Rear subframe
Rear Hub Support
(Rear uprights)

 
NOTE: some of these components have already been superseded by Mazda

 

Proposal B.
Allow intractability between listed NA and NB suspension components. i.e., NA components may be used on
NB and vice versa. This proposal may be subject to a weight penalty.

 
Listed components:
Front Subframe
Steering Rack and Tie Rods
Front sway bars.

 

What Do You Think, yellow flag?

 

Today a yellow flag specifies "slow down", per the potential rule change yellow flag specifies "slow significantly". Both specifications are subjective.............. Were damn fortunate no one has been seriously hurt or killed with the "slow down" and "slow significantly" is not going to change anything other than creating subjective arguments after someone gets busted. Get a hand held radar gun for each corner station. Yes there is cost, there is also cost when a volunteer worker gets hurt/killed.

 

What Do You Think, suspension up grades?

 

The word "intractability" is used in the proposed suspension rule. Exactly what is the definition of the word "intractability"? Is the word "interchange" to common a word to use?

[FTodaro]

My two cents.

 

Yellow flags, I am not sure that the proposed language gets accomplished what they want to do, it does provide that they can and should black flag you but i think they could have done that anyway. I think to stop the racing under yellow so the field does not catch the leaders, they need to put out a pace car, that solves it. The leader is not going to want to park it, and that language is gray.

 

Suspension across years,

 

I really have no problem with it, it happens now, it just not legal, but at some point all of these parts are going to be hard to find, so why not make it easy if there is really no clear reason to prohibit it.

 

I would add they should do the same for Transmissions if its not already in the rules.

 

Vin Numbers.

 

I am not really sure what the big deal is. If you take a 99 and dress it like a vvt or a VVT and dress it like a 99, i am not sure there would be quantifiable  difference in the outcome. as the motor is the key difference between the platforms. But someone must think there is an advantage to be gained.

[Jim Drago]

I have no issue with suspenson either way.. If we are worried about upgrade.. then dont allow front subframe. The rest would be nice as you can get there legally with spacers etc.  It would be nice for an NA  guy to be able to grab a spare part from any of the numerous teams that carry primarily the NB parts at this point. Also allow the NA guys to get to NB rear track without having to run spacers.

 

As far as yellow flags.. I think we are all guilty. I have gone throuh yellows way too fast not to lose time to the car ahead or behind. If you are the guy who slows as you should.. you usually loose time. It should not be that way, but it is. I agree his is not a good situation. Unless I see the corner worker waiving aggrsssively or franticly, I dont slow as much as I should and I am not alone here regardless of what others say. We do need to do a better job here and it probably starts with us.

 

Jim 

[Danica Davison]

Vin Numbers.
 
I am not really sure what the big deal is. If you take a 99 and dress it like a vvt or a VVT and dress it like a 99, i am not sure there would be quantifiable  difference in the outcome. as the motor is the key difference between the platforms. But someone must think there is an advantage to be gained.

 

I am not sure what the big deal is either. Is there a difference in the weight distribution of the two chassis?

[Jim Drago]

I am not sure what the big deal is either. Is there a difference in the weight distribution of the two chassis?

One member was covinced he was getting beat by hybrid cars mixing 99/00 and 01/05  parts and harnesses to build a super car... Kind of like looking for unicorns! 

[Danica Davison]

Still doesn't make sense as you have to replace all the wiring harness, computer, engine, etc so I am not sure how it makes it a super car. Unless there is something I am missing.  I would tell that driver to drive better

[Jim Drago]

Still doesn't make sense as you have to replace all the wiring harness, computer, engine, etc so I am not sure how it makes it a super car. Unless there is something I am missing.  I would tell that driver to drive better

YOU ARENT MISSING ANYTHING... YOU HAVE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING HOW THINGS WORK

[FTodaro]

I should add onto my comment about yellow flags. putting the pace car out is only an option generally on a double yellow full course yellow. On the local yellow where its up to us to be reasonable, that is the harder call. I remember one time at black hawk major last year, Tom Brown was invited to the fence at the exit of Turn 5 and at the exit of turn five your right rear is up on the exit curbing. I recall getting a little lose and correcting a few times as i am coming off of 5 and i see the safety crew out there. I would not have wanted to be a safety worker watching me come through there. I would not want to be me had I lost it.

 

In that case, i really did not know what was out there till well after i committed to that corner. On the following laps when i knew what was up, i did take it a bit more conservative. Its just not in our nature to lift on a yellow, unless you see something and sometimes you don't get the picture right away.

 

I am not saying that is right. I am just pointing out that its hard to make yourself do it.

[Rob Burgoon]

A little silly to toughen the wording on yellows.  Unless they are going to start mandating use of "virtual safety car" equipped steering wheels like F1 has, it's a pretty short sighted change.

 

Seems like a standing yellow comes out whenever a corner worker starts feeling a little gassy. 

[Rob Burgoon]

More suspension options sounds like a good move since it will get the cars closer, just not sure if there's some Frankenstein combo that's better than 99 OEM.  Wouldn't like that.

[Bench Racer]

Rob, have you ever been at a race track when a full course yellow has been out for 3 laps and a dumb ass looses control and crushes 2 corner workers legs who were attending an accident? Was at the track and it doesn't leave a good thought in one's mind.

 

Most everyone's support the corner workers, support the corner workers and then those same folks forget don't slow down under standing yellow or full course yellow. That folks is either stupid or just total lack or respect. 

[Johnny D]

We've had some really sharp guys (in other classes) run into the back of the trucks a few times.

 

J~

[BNaumann]

One member was covinced he was getting beat by hybrid cars mixing 99/00 and 01/05  parts and harnesses to build a super car... Kind of like looking for unicorns! 

Talk round these parts was a 99 motor in a stiffer VVT tub as a hot setup that could be found in the wild near the front of the pack.  This was never legal, but perhaps the clarification was needed for some who felt swapping the dash VIN plate changed the year of their car.

[Johnny D]

http://cdn.growasset....pdf?1481489840

 

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2. #20754 (Jason Stine) Proposal For Club Racing SWAT Team
Thank you for your thoughts.
The CRB fulfills the roles you mention in your letter. 
Those interested in CRB membership should get experience through an Advisory Committee. 
If interested, please submit your resume to an Advisory Committee at crbscca.com.

 

Do they mean like this because of the guy carrying the gun ?

 

[Jim Drago]

Talk round these parts was a 99 motor in a stiffer VVT tub as a hot setup that could be found in the wild near the front of the pack.  This was never legal, but perhaps the clarification was needed for some who felt swapping the dash VIN plate changed the year of their car.

 

I disagree that there is any gain there... However, If that is what someone wants to do.. they are still going to do it regardless of this rule 

[Peter Olivola]

As a steward, I'm agnostic on this issue, but I think folks are missing a key part of the wording concerning the explanation for the change in the yellow flag rules.  Tracks which provide some/all of the rescue vehicles and crews will not tolerate having their staff and equipment put in jeopardy.  If the situation does not improve, we risk more tracks imposing mandatory FCY with a safety car before they will respond to an incident. 

[Johnny D]

As a steward, I'm agnostic on this issue, but I think folks are missing a key part of the wording concerning the explanation for the change in the yellow flag rules.  Tracks which provide some/all of the rescue vehicles and crews will not tolerate having their staff and equipment put in jeopardy.  If the situation does not improve, we risk more tracks imposing mandatory FCY with a safety car before they will respond to an incident. 

 

I think if you don't have a speed limit or something at each track in the sups, Frank and other are just going to continue.

Cars with no speedo can follow the pace car at a certain MPH to see what RPM there at.

J~