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There's a lot of discussion about cost so I'm left wondering why SCCA SM runs virtually the most expensive tire option available. Switch to Toyo RR's and your cost per weekend drops by a few hundreds bucks right away. The market theory decisions will take time to prove out but this one is low hanging fruit.

We also run on the best tire..  The cost is debatable.. You can run 12-15 cycles on Hoosiers and perhaps more on the RR.. But to guys like me.. there is no difference as I am never approaching those numbers of cycles..  The guys who run 6-15 cycles Hoosiers wont save much over RRs either.  

 

We received a survey on the tires and the answers did not suggest we wanted the other tire? When the contract comes up, if we really want to consider switching, we need to start sending letters to the SMAC and it needs to be addressed before the next contract is written, otherwise nothing will happen and we will remain on the same tire.  I am a Hoosier guy and would prefer to stay there. But IMO, The SCCA should look into a Hoosier that has a little less grip and has more usuable cycles.  I think a 195 would be a VERY smart choice as we have an outstanding tire, but it is so good it is better than the rest of the car. 


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I agree with Jim, a small, less sticky tire would be better. This would ease some of the stress we are putting on things like wheel bearings, bushings and even transmissions. It would also separate the great drivers from the almost great, from the good, to the bad. The cars are so easy to drive with the current tire, that everyone is a hero driver. A slower tire would spread the field out. Some will think that is a good idea, others will not.

 

Any change will be a couple years away. Approval from SMAC, BoD, tire suppliers  and the new Prez will be required. Did we ever find out when the current contract expires?


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SM quit being that after it went national.  It's neither low cost nor entry level now.  Through the current prism of club sports car racing $10-15k car and approaching a $1k to run a weekend is low cost but out in normalville that's expensive.  I don't expect it to be as cheap as a hornet stock or even hobby stock (largely due to track rental costs) but the car costs can be similar.   It doesn't have to be hi-tech to be hi-fun.   As much as the marketing says SCCA is inclusive, when it comes to racing it's more exclusive.  There is no effective nationwide DE program to lure people in and help them develop to go wheel to wheel.  When you do get the opportunity for wheel to wheel the windows to join are constrained.  Guys like Danny and Drago aren't going to be able to race forever and unless something changes I'm not seeing too many prospects for people to replace them (and others) once they decide to hang up the helmet.

 

The cost isn't crazy high, but is higher than a new tennis racquet & balls. However, the potential amount of $$ wasted, to make repairs from contact can certainly impact ones budget. Runoff cost in both time & money looks a little nuts, though.

 

I do think the SCCA can and should do a better job with offering Comp Schools and building it's base. Most Divisions seem only to offer a couple a year and usually only in the Spring. My Region doesn't even offer one, because they lost money in the past. How can you not offer one at VIR?? I think they need more flexibility in how they are offered. My suggestion would be to partner with a well run HPDE organization to help off-set the track rental cost. In our area, partnering with the PCA, during an Advanced DE, could work well. It would offer PCA'ers opportunity to get a transferable Comp Lic., bring exposure to both SCCA & PCA racing and hurt neither base.

 

Regarding who will represent SM in the future, I think we'll be okay. I believe there are 2-3 on this forum now that may very well take up that mantle.


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As a new SCCA road racer (I did some rally X in the past) I can say that one of the biggest road blocks to going racing with the SCCA is the fractured structure of the club.

 

What division am I in? What region am I in? What class do I fit in (so many classes!)? Ok, SCCA national website has no information on my local club stuff; check "cendiv" website, can't find info, change to "land o' lakes region" website, oh now I see information is actually located on Motorsportreg. You will never get younger people engaged when the information is organized like this. Only people from racing families have a chance to understand this structure.

 

One easy step would be to at least organize all SCCA info under the national website. To a newbie just the fact that https://www.scca.com/ and http://www.scca-racing.com are completely different is confusing.

 

The next thing I found difficult was licensing. Lucky for me BIR Performance was local and had the proper class to get me a competition license. In my opinion it would probably better if SCCA just relied on accredited classes. The information is better, there is more behind the wheel time, and it would be less organization on volunteers. If I didn't get in touch with BIR I would probably still be trying to find out how to attend the cendiv class 400 miles away.

 

Not to be all negative, now that I've got the hang of the SCCA I like it and the people work hard, but if the topic is expansion it needs to be streamlined before new people will have a chance


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There are so many of us young kids dropping thousands on a big turbo kit for their Hyundai Elantras.  Thousands are spent on super stiff track suspension that never sees the outside of a race circuit, let alone place a wheel on track.  Us younger kids are frugal with our money in order to drop it on having a faster car, a more fun car, a more unique car.  But in my opinion all that money is misplaced.  I've had so much more fun, learned so much more, and the emotional reward of a successful racing weekend crushes any feeling I get by smoking the other car off the red light.  Us 25-35 year olds are dying for some adrenaline, and will pay to get it. We just don't know where to get it.  

 

We need to some how funnel these kids into the program, by letting them know that their hard earned money is better invested in a racing suit, a cage and some cheap suspension with sticky tires, rather than a Garrett T45 turbo with meth injection that they have to commute to work in.  

 

My SM program, total since the beginning, including tires, replacement parts ect. has only cost us ~$25k.  That's pretty cheap IMO.  Yea, we did our own work and went the long way around to save money most of the time, but hey, we placed 3rd last weekend and I've never had as much fun in my life.  I know many guys my age who have spent over double that on their E46 M3's, and have yet to even experience a racing circuit.  The customer base is there and ready! We just have to tap it.  

 

In NASA there is a new driver starting level 1 of HPDE every weekend.  How often can you say that you see a new driver at an SCCA event? Maybe once or twice a season? 


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Here's SCCA versions. Maybe they should have a driving school booth to funnel more the next level.

But yes, NASA HPDE 1,2,3,4 is hard to beat and always full.

 

https://www.tracknightinamerica.com/

 

 

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This is where you begin. This is one on one guidance from experienced instructors, as you learn to control your car and yourself. Your instructor will provide you with guidance as you learn to drive at the limit. You will address how to approach a turn, the fast way around it, what gear should you be in, how to brake, and how to exit. The session generally includes a lead-follow session. Passing is very limited in the Group 1 Sessions.

 
Group Two (HPDE-2)

Your instructor has determined you can drive on your own and with less supervision. You apply what you learned in the Group 1 sessions to get more practice. Group 2 is often mixed with Group 1 and is for those drivers that want some more Group 1 seat-time, but do not need an instructor.

 
Group Three (HPDE-3)

You have progressed to the world of high performance driving. The passing rules in group 3 are not as strict. You must learn to share the track at high speeds with others.

 
Group Four (HPDE-4)

This is only for the more experienced drivers.  No passing restrictions, except those of good judgment and rules of the road etiquette, apply. You and your peers are now experiencing the joys of doing it right in a relatively safe and controlled environment! You can now enjoy high performance driving at its finest.

 

https://nasaproracing.com/hpde/


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Track night looks promising and I plan on checking it out. However I'm not sure if part of the goal of track night is move people into door to door racing.



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I too think we need a tire with less grip and more HC. It could be just a coincidence but we have had allot of failures due to stress of hubs, trans sub frames. We can argue that there are several causes but IMO stress and fatigue build up over time. We are pushing the limits of this chic car.  It would be nice to stay with Hoosier they have been fantastic supporter of this class, would be hard to replace that.


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... What division am I in? What region am I in? What class do I fit in (so many classes!)? Ok, SCCA national website has no information on my local club stuff; check "cendiv" website, can't find info, change to "land o' lakes region" website, oh now I see information is actually located on Motorsportreg. You will never get younger people engaged when the information is organized like this. Only people from racing families have a chance to understand this structure.

 

One easy step would be to at least organize all SCCA info under the national website. To a newbie just the fact that https://www.scca.com/ and https://www.scca-racing.com/ are completely different is confusing.

 

Not to be all negative, now that I've got the hang of the SCCA I like it and the people work hard, but if the topic is expansion it needs to be streamlined before new people will have a chance

 

I think there is just the one site, https://www.scca.com/ The other link does not work (at least not on my PC). I recall being able to find my designated region on the site and change to my preferred region, etc. But, I do think the site could use some ease of use design work.

 

 

Here's SCCA versions. Maybe they should have a driving school booth to funnel more the next level.

But yes, NASA HPDE 1,2,3,4 is hard to beat and always full.

 

https://www.tracknightinamerica.com/

 

 

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Group One (HPDE-1)

This is where you begin. This is one on one guidance from experienced instructors, as you learn to control your car and yourself. Your instructor will provide you with guidance as you learn to drive at the limit. You will address how to approach a turn, the fast way around it, what gear should you be in, how to brake, and how to exit. The session generally includes a lead-follow session. Passing is very limited in the Group 1 Sessions.

 
Group Two (HPDE-2)

Your instructor has determined you can drive on your own and with less supervision. You apply what you learned in the Group 1 sessions to get more practice. Group 2 is often mixed with Group 1 and is for those drivers that want some more Group 1 seat-time, but do not need an instructor.

 
Group Three (HPDE-3)

You have progressed to the world of high performance driving. The passing rules in group 3 are not as strict. You must learn to share the track at high speeds with others.

 
Group Four (HPDE-4)

This is only for the more experienced drivers.  No passing restrictions, except those of good judgment and rules of the road etiquette, apply. You and your peers are now experiencing the joys of doing it right in a relatively safe and controlled environment! You can now enjoy high performance driving at its finest.

 

https://nasaproracing.com/hpde/

 

I don't want a full DE program going on within a race weekend, as there is no room to schedule more, unless you start cutting races. :nonono:   That's one reason why I choose the SCCA over NASA. You might be able wiggle in a single Advanced DE group and garner awareness that way, so that's something to consider...


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I too think we need a tire with less grip and more HC. It could be just a coincidence but we have had allot of failures due to stress of hubs, trans sub frames. We can argue that there are several causes but IMO stress and fatigue build up over time. We are pushing the limits of this chic car.  It would be nice to stay with Hoosier they have been fantastic supporter of this class, would be hard to replace that.

Agree and it's not a coincidence on the failures.  The higher grip by a couple tenths of a G adds a lot of load.  One of the engineers around here could give us the numbers but it's a significant increase.  Hoosier has been fantastic to us as a class and my guess is they already have construction and compound know-how developed that would give us longer life and still good levels of grip. 


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I think there is just the one site, https://www.scca.com/ The other link does not work (at least not on my PC). I recall being able to find my designated region on the site and change to my preferred region, etc. But, I do think the site could use some ease of use design work.

 

 

 

I don't want a full DE program going on within a race weekend, as there is no room to schedule more, unless you start cutting races. :nonono:   That's one reason why I choose the SCCA over NASA. You might be able wiggle in a single Advanced DE group and garner awareness that way, so that's something to consider...

 

Just sayin. Maybe a whole other weekend ?

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Tires...

 

A less expensive option that works is good.  Tires can be one of the bigger expenses.  I've said it before but the guy who ran Paul Tracy's karting team (then went to a truck series team) said the "3 Ts" were the most expensive.  Time, tires, travel.  You can't use street tires like in hornet or hobby stock.  I wouldn't anyway unless the speed ratings were suitable.  At that point you're into the cost of a solid entry or mid level race tire.  The short track and most of the karting orgs use a limited supply model.  The downside for the dealers is that they get squeezed out in favor of a single retail vendor.  At the Bullring you can buy a set of tires at the top of the season (or your first race if you run part time) then for every race you run you can buy two tires.  Depending on the org the tires are serialized and/or stamped/branded and checked at tech.  On a practice only day tires are open.  On a day with a points race or heats it's your allotted tires only.  That's an example, I don't think the number of tires would work for road race but for an entry level, regional only class some bowling ball tires in a limited supply may appeal to those starting.   If nothing else driving on hard tires teaches you how to drive.  Or how to fix your damaged car when you crash.

 

Costs...

 

Compared to other entry level forms of motorsport SM is expensive.  There are some fixed costs, like track rental that make it more than for example circle track.  You can get into hornet stock or mini stock for a couple grand for the car plus safety (one track around here has a $1k claimer).  Four point HREW cage, entry level safety (no head and neck), street tires, pump gas, no mods.  Mostly for a fun run.  Some tracks if you win more than a couple/few times no more points.  If you are too strong they boot you up to the next class.  Hobby stock is the next rung up, about $3k-5k per car, limited mods, street tires, six point cage, all safety gear, pump gas, real tech.  We could hit 80 mph on a 3/8 mile banked bullring.  Payout each race and end of year.   Short track entry costs are $40-50 bucks per pit pass. For $25k you could run regional late model and make enough in purse to pay for most of your entry, tires and fuel.  Barrier to entry is low, get a "license" or track membership and you're in.

 

Off road is a bit more.  Short track mini stock is about $4-5k to build a competitive truck.  Limited shocks, limited travel, stock unmodded engine, 6 point DOM cage, full safety, small (for offroad) 31" DOT tires.  Entry about the same as circle track plus a ton of contingency, tires, shocks, oil, wheels, fiberglass body panels, etc.  The trucks are tame enough not to break much if built right but still grab a fair amount of air and not too bad in the speed dept.  You can get a championship, sorted, winning truck for under $10k.   Desert is more, along the lines of SM in both vehicle cost and entry for entry level racing. Limited buggies are about the cost of short course truck.   What's common here are people share ownership of the car and program.  The big boy classes, fast buggies and bigger trucks are well into six figures just for the truck.  Barrier to entry is low.  Get a car and come racing though some guys have more money than talent and enter a big class for the first time in something like the Baja 1000 and no good comes of it.  In that regard I have a good appreciation of the licensing model of club racing (and shifter karts as well).  Easy to join the low HP, entry level classes.  Prove your chops and decision making skills before you move up.  

Desert off road doesn't have that but short course does.

 

An issue with using a Miata as a donor, even a late model car, is cost and availability.  A grassroots, ground floor entry needs to be something you can get on the cheap, not real powerful but still build into a safe entry level car.   Something like a late model Mazda or Honda sedan, front wheel drive, no frills.  You can find those salvaged or with blown motors for under a grand, many closer to $500.

 

DE...

 

DE needs to be its own thing, not necessarily on a race weekend.  There is no club road racing here but there are two supercar tracks, busy most of the time.  Spring Mountain, the track country club has sold out DE for both members and non members. (or they did last time I looked...)  The tuner car thing here is still big.  There is a problem with kids racing on the freeway on the weekends.  When I looked at solo here it was doing pretty well.  It was the only club event in the area.  As a comparison, there are 4 short tracks in a couple hours drive.  Except for July/August when it's hotter than the face of the sun you can run all year round.  SCCA does have a DE/TT program but compared to NASA it's not well leveraged and has spotty participation.  With the still popular Fast and Furious, the tuner car kids and the like there should be a strong market for affordable track days.



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We also run on the best tire..  You can run 12-15 cycles on Hoosiers and perhaps more on the RR.. But to guys like me.. there is no difference as I am never approaching those numbers of cycles..  

And the folks who buy your take offs I'm sure would rather be on new, scuffed, or track tire choice, other than for the cost. Other than Todd Buras types, many folks can't get the same results from used tires. Now if the sticky-ness of the tires was reduced as others have said, tire advantage to the bucks up folks would be reduced (some drivers would drop off a few spots and some wheelmen would gain a few spots) and wearing out parts because of sticky tires would be reduced.

 

F1 and Indy cars and some NASCAR races have a tire quota. 


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I have worked several of the Track Night in America events at HPT, as a coach and as a corner worker.  Some of the TN drivers are using their on-track time as part of the experience that can count toward a competition license through non-traditional drivers' schools.
 



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Jim, where does on find the info for the "non-traditional drivers' schools"?


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I think there is just the one site, https://www.scca.com/ The other link does not work (at least not on my PC). I recall being able to find my designated region on the site and change to my preferred region, etc. But, I do think the site could use some ease of use design work.

 

 

Fixed it. Not to mention CenDiv is yet another website. http://www.scca-racing.com/



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What we did was make it legal for the Division Chief Driving instructor or the Division License Administrator to waive any school requirements due to prior experience.  Also, the Chief Steward at an event can do it with recommendations from the DCI or the DLA.  What I have done, is give interested potential racers the normal GCR test, via email.  I then hook up on a track day, Time Trial, PDX or Track Night event and observe them on the race track.  I have on multiple occasions, waived all schools and they raced the next day at events where they bought the test day and I was able to observe them on track in their race cars.  SCCA has a Time Trial log book that I have been using with Track Night entrants.  I had one last week.  I logged his time and signed off on an hour of on-track time.  

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What we did was make it legal for the Division Chief Driving instructor or the Division License Administrator to waive any school requirements due to prior experience.  Also, the Chief Steward at an event can do it with recommendations from the DCI or the DLA.  What I have done, is give interested potential racers the normal GCR test, via email.  I then hook up on a track day, Time Trial, PDX or Track Night event and observe them on the race track.  I have on multiple occasions, waived all schools and they raced the next day at events where they bought the test day and I was able to observe them on track in their race cars.  SCCA has a Time Trial log book that I have been using with Track Night entrants.  I had one last week.  I logged his time and signed off on an hour of on-track time.  

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This ^ is a twenty first century guy.  :thumbsup: 

Some of what you mentioned I've read in the drivers school stuff. In my words, your opening opportunity for obtaining a license through knowledge and capability without all the mini hoops.

 

Thanks 


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