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1. #21912 (Frank Todaro) Contact Impound for Regional Racing
Thank you for your letter. Please see the response to letter #21994.

 
2. #21994 (Tyler Brown) Add an Impound Requirement for On Track Contact
The Club Racing Board has received quite a few letters over the past years expressing concern over the many incidents of car-to-car contact at our Club Racing events. The topic is also a common item on the many racing forums. The Club Racing Board is seeking comments on requiring mandatory impounding of any cars involved in a car-to-car contact. Should the driver and car be required to report to impound immediately after the session is over? If so, Stewards will investigate the contact and, if necessary, take action against the offending party. This would also be an opportunity for the parties involved in the contact to discuss it in a neutral environment.

 

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I promised Eric Prill I would send a letter with some ideas about the contact impound, derived from a group conversation some of us have had off line about this topic. Sadly, life has taken over and have not had the moment to put in down.

 

I have not heard to many people say that they would oppose a contact impound, however what they are concerned with, is a heavy handed approach that is overly focused on penalties and punishment.  While this idea is easy to generalize the devil is in the details to make it worthwhile.

 

The first question is "what is reportable contact". You go into a corner and touch no big deal, you cause a spine (or 4 off) that is contact. It’s hard to quantify what amount of damage should be considered contact so i think the easier way to label it is any contact that results in a change of or loss of track position. So if i put you off that requires impound. If we rub no change of position. No need to report.

 

Purpose and Penalty at impound.

 

My idea of the contact impound especially at the Regional level is to use it and an educational tool. Many incidents that occur at that level, are due to a lack of understanding of the rules, driver etiquette, and poor judgment. The contact impound would allow the incident to be reviewed and discussed by both sides. Hopefully with both drivers walking away in agreement as to what happened and why. The steward should only get involved there if the drivers cannot agree.

 

Unless the contact was extraordinary, serious carnage or total lack of judgment, I do not think there should be penalty and points. We should lean in favor of education not punishment.

 

However, there are circumstances where it rises to the level that punishment should be given. The first consideration is that before any punishment is give both drivers must be given an opportunity to present video. I can't tell how many times i have had an incident and when i want back to review the video i saw things that i did not see at the time.

 

The punishment must fit the crime, however the more carnage the bigger the punishment should be.

 

After all in the end we are trying to discourage needless unnecessary contact that ends up costing racers too much money and in the end could result in the loss of driver participation.

 

We are also trying to pick up on the problem driver, repeat offender. When that pattern shows up then they should pull out the stops on punishment. IMO its the clubs responsibility to remove problem drivers.

 

Last weekend at the Mid Ohio Major, late in the race i was trying to pass Jordan Smart, in the process we touched he went off. We were in the contingency, so I made sure i gave him the spot back. By the time we went to impound, i had taken responsibility for the contact and we were good. Thankfully there was no damage to either car. No real need to do anything at that point but for me to eat crow.

 

 


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The first question is "what is reportable contact". You go into a corner and touch no big deal, you cause a spine (or 4 off) that is contact. It’s hard to quantify what amount of damage should be considered contact so i think the easier way to label it is any contact that results in a change of or loss of track position. So if i put you off that requires impound. If we rub no change of position. No need to report.

 

Great post Frank, I agree with all of it.

 

Not trying to be a nit here. But, I think this opinion will vary depending on which class of drivers you talk to and will be the most difficult issue to address. If you talk to the Formula cars, they have more concern for even a little rub, which is understandable.  Some of the older gentlemen in the sport, in other classes like Production or IT absolutely hate it when their car has one chip in the paint caused by someone else. 

 

I think a lot of the stewards have mixed opinions as well.  And I think part of the problem is, we have way too many stewards. You just never know what you are going to get when it comes to decisions. That is one thing I really like about NASA ... they have like 3 guys that are in charge ... every weekend. It is much easier to find consistency that way and will be difficult with the SCCA.  It also seems the general attitude that of stewards consider us as spec piñatas and just assume everything is "Those damn kids in the Miatas just hit each other all the time, it is just what they do....so...racing incident"

 

Hopefully, the SCCA puts a good effort into training all of our stewards of this (all 2,000 of them), not just send an email blast, so that they are all on the same page.


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Also, here is an idea. You can let me know if it is good or bad.  When the SCCA finally implements this program, maybe it is a good idea to have a mandatory drivers meeting in each respective race groups for the first event, or the first couple events.  Preferably inside where we can actually hear each other.  And the purpose would be to discuss the issues on track with the stewards specific to their group.  Then the stewards can treat each run group differently, which should be the case imo. 


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Also, here is an idea. You can let me know if it is good or bad.  When the SCCA finally implements this program, maybe it is a good idea to have a mandatory drivers meeting in each respective race groups for the first event, or the first couple events.  Preferably inside where we can actually hear each other.  And the purpose would be to discuss the issues on track with the stewards specific to their group.  Then the stewards can treat each run group differently, which should be the case imo.


With as much downtime there is at every SCCA weekend I don't see why there isn't a mandated drivers meeting every weekend to discuss any open item topics that arise. It may be a 5 minutes or 20 minutes depending on what's needed that weekend, and it's also a good way for competitors to put faces to names/car numbers. Just a thought.
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"The Club Racing Board is seeking comments on requiring mandatory impounding of any cars involved in a car-to-car contact. Should the driver and car be required to report to impound immediately after the session is over? If so, Stewards will investigate the contact and, if necessary, take action against the offending party. This would also be an opportunity for the parties involved in the contact to discuss it in a neutral environment."

 

​Please don't aim the existing contact rules or changed rules towards Regional level, as they are not the only drivers who have car-to-car contact. How about this weekend at Road America from the bleachers in T5 I document the car-to-car contact I observe?

​In reality the line exists in the sand today per, Rules of the Road, On Course Driver Conduct. Smacking a car in the rear during the T5 braking zone would not be bump drafting. :bigsquaregrin:


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John, what you say is correct except for one thing. SCCA does not have 2000 Stewards. There are currently less than 370 licensed Stewards in the entire country.

 

I personally believe a lot of SCCA on track problems will go away when we join the rest of the racing world and require in car radios where the operating Steward can be in contact with any or all drivers. In our short track racing, this is successful in settling down drivers before things can escalate.

 

Last weekend, we ran two 125 lap races on a 3/8 mile track with no damage to any cars. There was several warnings that helped prevent metal to metal. I believe it is better to prevent it than counsel after the fact.


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John, what you say is correct except for one thing. SCCA does not have 2000 Stewards. There are currently less than 370 licensed Stewards in the entire country.
 
I personally believe a lot of SCCA on track problems will go away when we join the rest of the racing world and require in car radios where the operating Steward can be in contact with any or all drivers. In our short track racing, this is successful in settling down drivers before things can escalate.
 
Last weekend, we ran two 125 lap races on a 3/8 mile track with no damage to any cars. There was several warnings that helped prevent metal to metal. I believe it is better to prevent it than counsel after the fact.

 

I was exaggerating on the steward number.  But, how possible is the radio thing for the amount of cars that we have a weekend?  There are only so many frequencies. We just got digital radios on our team and Speedcom only has the license to like 200 digital channels.  If we have a 400 car entry count ... that's a lot of people on the same channels. I guess I am just unfamiliar with how it would work?


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I was exaggerating on the steward number.  But, how possible is the radio thing for the amount of cars that we have a weekend?  There are only so many frequencies. We just got digital radios on our team and Speedcom only has the license to like 200 digital channels.  If we have a 400 car entry count ... that's a lot of people on the same channels. I guess I am just unfamiliar with how it would work?

 

1 way radio, all on the same frequency, costs about $120, put that in one ear.  your crew on a 2 way radio in the other ear.


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John, good point about other classes. What I do not know is if those other classes precieve a problem. I have assumed, maybe incorrectly, that due to the spec nature of our class, we have a bigger problem.

Selfishly, I suggest we test it out in SM.

Again ,I keep going back to the regional arena, because the learning has to occur there, but clearly it applies to all levels of racing.

I also appreciate that we have to think through who is going to do this, SCCA can have 6 to 7 run groups where NASA only has 2 or 3.

Do we use some of the compliance fee money to fund this when we get an accounting from SCCA, lol.
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What works at your local oval track has limited application to a national organization(s) with different communication capabilities associated with different venues.

 

There are SCCA regions/tracks which run everything on a single frequency, corners, emergency services, administration.  I don't think drivers want to have to listen to every communication on the property.

 

There are tracks used by SCCA which supply digital radios only.

 

Frequencies in use differ from track to track and even from region to region using the same track.

 

This is a much more complex situation than those who view things through their local lens realize.

John, what you say is correct except for one thing. SCCA does not have 2000 Stewards. There are currently less than 370 licensed Stewards in the entire country.

 

I personally believe a lot of SCCA on track problems will go away when we join the rest of the racing world and require in car radios where the operating Steward can be in contact with any or all drivers. In our short track racing, this is successful in settling down drivers before things can escalate.

 

Last weekend, we ran two 125 lap races on a 3/8 mile track with no damage to any cars. There was several warnings that helped prevent metal to metal. I believe it is better to prevent it than counsel after the fact.


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1 way radio, all on the same frequency, costs about $120, put that in one ear.  your crew on a 2 way radio in the other ear.

 

This wouldn't work for guys that have Stilo's and Roux helmets that have the earmuffs.


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New idea;

 

Have a Drivers Steward. Someone who has recently driven competitively. Not the 80 year old who last raced his MG TC in the 60's. This person would need to be known within the community, and respected. Preferably with that class experience. SM driver for SM, Prod driver for Prod classes, open wheel for open wheel, etc. He would have the power to initiate action, but not be judge and jury. His main objective would be solve the crime and advise the criminals on how not to offend again. Only requesting action in severe cases. Dorsey Shroeder does this for PWC IIRC. This person could be a current driver, with a small amount of Steward type training. He would have no more power than a tech inspector.

 

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New idea;

Have a Drivers Steward. Someone who has recently driven competitively. Not the 80 year old who last raced his MG TC in the 60's. This person would need to be known within the community, and respected. Preferably with that class experience. SM driver for SM, Prod driver for Prod classes, open wheel for open wheel, etc. He would have the power to initiate action, but not be judge and jury. His main objective would be solve the crime and advise the criminals on how not to offend again. Only requesting action in severe cases. Dorsey Shroeder does this for PWC IIRC. This person could be a current driver, with a small amount of Steward type training. He would have no more power than a tech inspector.

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This wouldn't work for guys that have Stilo's and Roux helmets that have the earmuffs.

 

earmuffs break earplugs how?


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While an interesting idea, it's possible application in SCCA Club Racing is problematic.  It would require a larger number of Drivers Stewards than all other stewards at some events to cover all the different categories.

 

There is nothing preventing implementation of a portion of this now without steward involvement.  If you're willing to have someone with recent competition experience act in an investigative manner, you can do that now.  The issue would be if a decision to take action is made, will a protest be filed in a timely fashion.This can be handled by making a quick decision about the likelihood of action being necessary, filing a protest, having it time stamped, but waiting to proceed until after the investigation.  As part of the investigation of a likely action incident, have witness statements available and get them filled out.  Also, advise the drivers involved to get any other witnesses or evidence lined up.

 

If, ultimately, the determination is no action, withdraw the protest.  Otherwise, the investigator provides all the evidence collected to the SOM and should be prepared to be called as a witness him/herself.

 

 

New idea;

 

Have a Drivers Steward. Someone who has recently driven competitively. Not the 80 year old who last raced his MG TC in the 60's. This person would need to be known within the community, and respected. Preferably with that class experience. SM driver for SM, Prod driver for Prod classes, open wheel for open wheel, etc. He would have the power to initiate action, but not be judge and jury. His main objective would be solve the crime and advise the criminals on how not to offend again. Only requesting action in severe cases. Dorsey Shroeder does this for PWC IIRC. This person could be a current driver, with a small amount of Steward type training. He would have no more power than a tech inspector.

 

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Y'all are making this way to complicated. Just copy NASA's system.


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My term "Steward type training" would be mostly focused on the procedures and paperwork involved. I would think a couple hours at most. Maybe just a short workbook could be developed off of the "drivers guide to protests". Procedures would need some figuring out. This has about 10 minutes of thought process so far.  And yes, this would be a volunteer position. And yes, it would require a fairly large group of people to cover every race group at every event. But it could be a driver in the event. The pool of "approved driver stewards" could be already at the event. Obviously he would need to recuse himself if he was involved. No incedents and it becomes a boring day for the driver steward.


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Frank - your comments are spot on, and yes Mr. Vetter, people are making this too difficult.

 

While I personally prefer running with SCCA for a variety of reasons there are several good practices that should be benchmarked from other sanctioning bodies. And the NASA approach to contact IMO is one of them 

 

In my limited experience, NASA's system is actually dealt with in a fairly casual way, and that foster's good communication between the drivers involved. Only if there is no agreement / apology between the drivers does the NASA guy get involved, often to educate, and only sometimes to administer penalties / reprimands.

 

But the MOST IMPORTANT part of this system, is that it is MANDATORY for both drivers to report to impound immediately after the session. That alone discourages contact. And it there is contact then the drivers have to discuss it. This helps improve the on-track conduct. There is learning in the process.

 

In SCCA, if drivers have contact, and are not called to the tower, too often those drivers will leave the track without ever having spoken to each other and might leave, ignorant of what they caused, resentful for what happened to them and a range of other emotions.

 

Sure it should be all drivers responsibility to see out the other driver after a session to have a sensible value-sharing experience, but sometimes you finish the session only to find that the other driver has already left the track. 


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The SCCA is requesting input for their thoughts. Why reinvent the wheel?  IIRC, the SCCA implemented some sort of this below early in the 2017 racing year.

 

"The Club Racing Board is seeking comments on requiring mandatory impounding of any cars involved in a car-to-car contact. Should the driver and car be required to report to impound immediately after the session is over? If so, Stewards will investigate the contact and, if necessary, take action against the offending party. This would also be an opportunity for the parties involved in the contact to discuss it in a neutral environment."


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Let's expand on that, take a volenteer driver, train several but only need one per event, and give them a free entry big event, reduced fee smaller event for their service.

 

I'm all for cracking down on contact - I'm lazy and personally hate fixing bodywork.  

 

I think there are too many conflicts of interest between teams, drivers, engine builders, etc to have one driver racing in the class be in a position of power.  Sorry guys.  Maybe someone from another class.


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