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I could be wrong here but your signature says 2007 was SSM no???  I have never raced SSM myself but view it as a significantly cheaper option to actually racing SM at least to be competitive.

 

Not to mention inflation, that our govt. tends to tell us does not exist!

 

I got involved in 2010 and just my opinion here it is much more competitive in 2017 then it was in 2010, most everyone has top shelf equipment, data, and vid in 2017.  half the field was racing with a shift light and no data back in 2010, and about half had a camera...  Wow have things change as I look back at it.

 

Cheaper to be competitive, yes.  But less competitive than an SM field absolutely not.

 

In the MARRS series SSM feilds were regularly larger and deeper than the SM fields.  Don't take that to mean the SM field was soft either.  More affordable, AND better racing!  I went where the best competition was; it was a bonus that the cars were more affordable and more "spec" to run!

 

FWIW, my engine came home from the 07' ARRC in pieces.  :)  


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Cheaper to be competitive, yes.  But less competitive than an SM field absolutely not.
 
In the MARRS series SSM feilds were regularly larger and deeper than the SM fields.  Don't take that to mean the SM field was soft either.  More affordable, AND better racing!  I went where the best competition was; it was a bonus that the cars were more affordable and more "spec" to run!
 
FWIW, my engine came home from the 07' ARRC in pieces.  :)


MARRS SSM depth may be deeper the SM at a MARRS event depth but it doesn’t compare with a typical east of the Mississippi Majors SM field. I appreciate your passion for your chosen class but showing up throwing stones at SM doesn’t make you or your class better.
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MARRS SSM depth may be deeper the SM at a MARRS event depth but it doesn’t compare with a typical east of the Mississippi Majors SM field. I appreciate your passion for your chosen class but showing up throwing stones at SM doesn’t make you or your class better.

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Nobody is throwing stones; You guys need to relax a little bit.  I've raced both SM and SSM over the years and I'm simply speaking to a prior experience to answer a question from Mr. Webb.  I'm also speaking to racing that occurred ~10 years ago!  Damn I'm getting old... 

 

I have no doubt that current "east of the Mississippi" Majors fields pulling from MARRS, SARRC, etc. are stout. 


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I get that you don't like the government but if you're going to lie about it I'm going to call you out on it.

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.And ironically after seeing Jims post....I thought , wait a minute, since when are we guilty until proving ourselves innocent?? You pointed this out very quick!

 

In fairness.. We were never guilty. Tech just told us they wanted to research this a little further.  It was all handled well by tech and it gets easier every time. But never any fun :)


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I get that you don't like the government but if you're going to lie about it I'm going to call you out on it.

I love it when folks without MBAs and Masters Degrees in Economics debate economics, especially on a racing forum.  CPI is not an accurate measure of inflation.  To accurately measure inflation one must consider the PPI and the GDP deflator.  The PPI and GDP deflator have to be added to the equation, because the CPI doesn't measure many of the factors that have a very real inflationary impact on the average wallet, nor does it measure the anti inflationary impact of substitution.  Happy to take this discussion off line. 

Thanks Jim, for the info on Tech!


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As much as I love Economics ... maybe it would be fun/better to set up a politics/non racing sub forum .. instead of on racing threads. It is entertaining on the RRAX forum.

 

But anyways, back to the tech process ...


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After talking with a few other people yesterday about tech ... the security in the tech shed was basically non-existent.  After helping Stearns fight off the Nufer protest, Soriano and I walked over to the shed, with beers in hand, and already a little buzzed.  I walked right in to see my boyz P$ and Selin and to see how things were going.  I got to the front of the garage and I said loudly "what's up you cheating MF's!?!" and walked right in next to the cars. Bauer gave me a weird look and just went back to what he was doing.  I then walked to Haldeman's car in a different garage that had even more tech officials around, and walked right up to Chris taking his motor apart.

 

Daytona was much more strict on who was getting in to the tech shed if I remember correctly... and there wasn't anything this year.

 

In all seriousness, it could have been fairly easy to go in and swap out a control arm ... just sayin.


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In all seriousness, it could have been fairly easy to go in and swap out a control arm ... just sayin.

 :no:   In all seriousness, this act could get you expelled lifetime from the SCCA. There was an AS knucklehead from 2016 Mid Ohio Runoffs who received said gift for his nonsense on track. 


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The tech process has become a lot less secure in the past few years. At Topeka, if you tried to get in without a pass, it was not happening it was like a prison.  At Road America very much the same. Even as a CRB member who is called often to look at things and known by the tech people, with no pass for that day, I was asked to leave.  I was chastised in 13 as other competitors who had passes but cars were outside popped up chairs in front of the cars being torn apart and I asked them to leave as 2012 was rough and I didn't want a game of telephone starting again. I could have handled it better, but no one moral of the story is no one was allowed in if not associated with the car being torn down and they needed a pass.    At Daytona, it was IMO the start of more laid back ( which I guess I like in some ways, but in some ways I don't) tech shed. Mid Ohio mush the same or even more laid back.  This year was very similar to Mid Ohio.  Not sure it needs to be prison like, but I do think the security needs to be a little better. 

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  I was chastised in 13 as other competitors who had passes but cars were outside popped up chairs in front of the cars being torn apart and I asked them to leave as 2012 was rough and I didn't want a game of telephone starting again. I could have handled it better, but no one moral of the story is no one was allowed in if not associated with the car being torn down and they needed a pass.    

 

I was one of those in the chairs at Road America LOL...

I get it makes a better story, but we were at least 15 yards away and it was poring rain and we were bored!  We all forgive you and understand the stress of impound!  


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I was one of those in the chairs at Road America LOL...

I get it makes a better story, but we were at least 15 yards away and it was poring rain and we were bored!  We all forgive you and understand the stress of impound!  

lol :) I did apologize to most that I saw afterwards... Sometimes the NJ comes back out :) 


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Jim and all, we did try to enforce passes at Mid Ohio but that tent layout made it tough. At Indy, we had multiple cars in the same garage and again tried to draw an invisible line between cars. Personally, I hate those privacy screens. There's really nothing in a spec class you should be able to do that is a secret. We did require the passes be worn in sight this year vs just having one. At Daytona, I chased the same guy out 10 times before he managed to get a pass. Never could tell who he was with if anyone.

 

But, we get busy and people tend to wander in and out. Short of putting up ropes. etc, we do the best we can. Heck, 4th place was over in the main building at Indy and when we had out morning tech meeting, stuff was scattered all over the place. But, no one was there except tech staff. IMO, that was not well planned. I would have made room in the same area the other cars were being inspected and did his tear down there. That car being in a different location was not good. Very hard to secure.

 

We all made extra efforts this year to control picture taking in tech. But, with everyone using their cell phones, it's tough. May end up with no cell phones allowed in tech tear down area. Kind of like me taking pictures in the Sistine Chapel. With flash turned off, the guards couldn't stop it.

 

I will mention that when we have our debrief conference call.


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This kind of stuff is discouraging to new comers. Disassemble the transmission and diff? Is there really sometime in history when a person had a transmission with a different gear set or coated gears? Give me a break.



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This kind of stuff is discouraging to new comers. Disassemble the transmission and diff? Is there really sometime in history when a person had a transmission with a different gear set or coated gears? Give me a break.

Haha...you are a newbie! And for what it is worth...you will never have invasive tech until you get to the biggest events and finish up front!

Dont be discouraged...just come out and play. When you start winning then just make sure your stuff is good! 


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Is there really sometime in history when a person had a transmission with a different gear set or coated gears? Give me a break.

Yes and in the Spec Miata class. Lightened gears and through the REM process. Yes gears may be smoothed/worn in by other process, but that's not the point.


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This kind of stuff is discouraging to new comers. Disassemble the transmission and diff? Is there really sometime in history when a person had a transmission with a different gear set or coated gears? Give me a break.

what Ron said. Dont be discouraged. But at the biggest event ever in SM. I think all in tech were ready and welcomed the process. This is far from the norm, it only happens at the biggest events and only the top 3 competitors typically. Yes people have remmed and or coated gears in the passed. Also different 5 th gears are out there, different RP ratios etc

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