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Doing HPDE for another year hope to start racing next year. Want to get device this year and get used to wearing one. So many choices wondering what you guys liked, I am 6' 2" about 240 lbs if that matters.



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Doing HPDE for another year hope to start racing next year. Want to get device this year and get used to wearing one. So many choices wondering what you guys liked, I am 6' 2" about 240 lbs if that matters.

 

I think I have the Hans Sport 2 or whatever it is. Works just fine and never notice its there. 90%+ of people use Hans, so that should tell you something


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Don't you need your seat angled a min* of something so your neck isn't pinched forward ? (asking here)

 

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I went with the Simpson, purely because not every car I hop into as a driver or passenger has 5/6 point harness. 


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I've had the Isaac, the Defnder and today the NextGen Rev and they now have a NextGen Rev Lite. Try a NexGen Rev before you buy. Whichever you buy,, try different H & N restraints first. The helmet screw locations are the same. While in a race shop sales place install the screws for the particular H&N restraint set in a race car or race seat and see how it feels. 


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I have the Necksgen Rev 2 Lite and I like it a lot. I think the helmet clips are probably one of the best designs out there.



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I am using the original Necksgen and am very happy with it. Even got a chance to use it at the beginning of last year unfortunately. Saved my bacon and they inspected and re-webbed it for around 35 bucks. Once strapped in the car it pretty much disappears.


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I have a Hans and a Necksgen Rev2. I have no reason to believe that one provides more protection overall than the other so I wear what’s less distracting, and less limiting in terms of ingess/egress etc. For me that is the Necksgen Rev2. I keep the Hans around as a backup/loaner.

If I were to bet, I’d say that what the prominence of Hans devices “tells” me is that they owned the market for years and now have the inevitable momentum from that fact. Relatively few people will be unhappy enough with them to toss it aside and spend the $$$ on something different, but I was one of them.
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Steve, I'd post the difference in data (from minimal data the manufacture's let out, not so much last few years) but that would only start pi$$ing match. Schroth sells their copy of the NextGen and they sell their copy of the HANS and the HANS.  The Defnder and the NextGen eliminate a considerable amount of lateral force which the HANS does not. HANS specifies from their day one, use a separate lateral force load reduction device. 


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I think I have the Hans Sport 2 or whatever it is. Works just fine and never notice its there. 90%+ of people use Hans, so that should tell you something

Hans has the market momentum because Hubbard was ruthless in threatening litigation over his patent with smaller startups.  He could basically soak up all the money with litigation threats regardless of if his patent was infringed.  When the big boys with deep pockets and lawyers came into the market that took away the threat.  All of the tagged devices assert SFI 38.1  so they're passing (at least in theory) the same tests.  HANS has offered nothing to support the claim theirs works any better than any of the others.

 

As Dewey says the others have more lateral resistance.  I had a original version HANS Sport and it felt like a horse collar.  The Defender was more comfortable and seemed to have more protection in the lateral.  I don't know if there has been any firm data or even cursory testing to support the claim of more lateral support other than it feels like it.  There is though evidence that since mandating head and neck devices basilar skull fractures as a cause of death in motorsport has declined.



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Dave, I have the lateral force reduction datd from when one could still find the info on the net. I don't need a pi$$ing match by posting the data. I talked to one manufacture and they have a manufactures agreement (agreement may not have been what he said, but was the point) to not publish data. HANS has a video from early on showing side impact with and without a lateral support devise and that's why from day one they recommend a separate lateral load reduction devise. I'd need to look, HANS latest my have copied the NextGen strap anchor/path design. LOL from the big boys who took others to court for much less.


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The full(er) containment seats which are becoming much more popular would seem to cover the lateral load issue better than anything strapped to the body, no?
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Yup, your correct as always Steve, F1 and Indy cars will start using Halo seats any day now. Your a very intelligent person, give it a rest, I didn't say a damn thing about anything strapped to anyone's body. The over the top serious testing of HANS started with Mercedes-Benz as in can you say F1. :bigsquaregrin:


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Bench, you seem predisposed to assuming an attack. My comment was intended to be no more than an observation followed by a question mark in case I had failed to consider some aspect or other. Any edge that may have crept into it was a lingering dislike for the exaggerated fear tactics used to require the damned things and the total hypocrisy of not requiring them for all track events. I can drive a 1000 hp Viper as fast and as much as I like sans cage, fire system, proper belts, net, suit or gloves, but heaven forbid I drive a120hp Miata in so much as a test session without all that and nomex socks!
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I like the NecksGen REV so much I became an autorized reseller.  It's perfect size for our tiny cars.


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Yo Benchy relax.  There are no kids on your lawn...

 

Steve asked a question and I said I didn't know if there was any data.  I found some specific to Necksgen at the Impact Racing site.  https://www.impactra...cles.asp?ID=245  The off road guys seem to be taking to the Necksgen as well.  A head and neck is still pretty new for that bunch and there seem to be a fair amount of science deniers that demand proof it works and keep their god given right to suffer a basilar skull fracture if they wish.

 

Not to belabor the point but the ICS Dallara and the current reg F1 cars have head bolsters as part of the survival cell that acts in the same manner as a containment seat.  That's that horse collar thing the drivers throw in disgust when they exit the car.



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One need not be a science denier to dislike being forced into something by the nanny state (or as in this case fear of litigation). And for the record, I wasn’t looking for any data, because so long as it meets the requirements I’ll take the one which I find the least annoying and safest for getting out quickly.
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One need not be a science denier to dislike being forced into something by the nanny state (or as in this case fear of litigation). And for the record, I wasn’t looking for any data, because so long as it meets the requirements I’ll take the one which I find the least annoying and safest for getting out quickly.


“forced into something”? You have every right to be dumb enough to drive that “1,000hp Viper as fast and as much as I like sans cage, fire system, proper belts, net, suit or gloves”.

Who needs cage, fire system, belts, suit or gloves? Or a helmet even. Definitely don’t need neck restraints or all these rules. Dammit, my God given rights are being trampled!!

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One need not be a science denier to dislike being forced into something by the nanny state (or as in this case fear of litigation). And for the record, I wasn’t looking for any data, because so long as it meets the requirements I’ll take the one which I find the least annoying and safest for getting out quickly.

 

For those who've heard this story, skip this post.

 

Steve, while working as ACS Safety for the Kettle Regional at Road America several years ago I spent a great deal of time in the paddock medical building handing out green cards and filling out incident report forms.  I also noticed the head of medical, Dr. Jeff Gaver, would sit at a computer after every patient was cleared and fill out a form.  I asked him if he had been keeping records long enough to have been able to determine any trends.  He said yes, there was a steady decrease in the frequency and severity of injuries in direct proportion to the increased use of head and neck restraints.

 

That weekend we had eight drivers involved in seven significant contact incidents.  One driver had a significant leg injury when the steering wheel pulled off the column exiting T-11 (the Kink) and she pinballed an MX-5 Cup car between the barriers, but no injuries above the waist.  There was only one other driver who complained of pain, in his neck.  He was the only one not wearing a head and neck restraint (this was before they became mandatory.)

 

I have seen a driver in a FC hit perpendicular to the barrier driver's left at the Kink (front wing collapsed entering the turn.)  After his mandatory visit to paddock medical he walked in to Race Control to review the video of his accident and left under his own power.  That hit was in excess of 100 MPH.  The foot box and head and neck restraint worked.

 

I've also had to let a corner crew take the rest of the weekend off when they witnessed a fatality.

 

In addition to protecting drivers from injury, safety helps keep our volunteers from experiencing the effects of bad outcomes.


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“forced into something”? You have every right to be dumb enough to drive that “1,000hp Viper as fast and as much as I like sans cage, fire system, proper belts, net, suit or gloves”.

Who needs cage, fire system, belts, suit or gloves? Or a helmet even. Definitely don’t need neck restraints or all these rules. Dammit, my God given rights are being trampled!!

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Something tells me that you missed the point. I’ll wager that given the time and inclination you could come up with multiple ways to incrementally improve safety for drivers, corner workers, support staff and spectators. In fact if you can’t come up with a pretty lengthy list then you lack imagination. If we started enacting those one by one at what point would you, and the others who are agast and horrified by my comments, stop scoffing and start pushing back? Not long I think.

Head & neck restraints are great and I’m glad that competition has lowered the price. I think they should be encouraged for ALL people driving on a race track. But what I see appears to be the completely illogical application of yet another safety rule, like requiring me to replace belts after a couple years even if they’ve been used once or twice and never been left out in the sun or elements (conditions assumed when establishing their service life), while the 26 year old OE belts in my twin turbo NSX don’t get a second glance.

That’s my problem, but then I’m just an ignorant yahoo without an ounce of brains but an excellent sense of the ridiculous.

But don’t let the rest of my rant distract you from the task at hand, please work on that list and then tell me where YOU draw the line, and why.
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