39 replies to this topic

[Andy Bettencourt]

As of June 1, the ITA weight of a 1994-1997 1.8L Miata is 2460lbs.

Change your stickers and get some lead or change your second class preference to STL.

That is all.

AB

[Alex Bolanos]

Seriously? So we can do less engine/car mods and have to weigh 110lbs more?

[DrDomm]

Ha ha. I was thinking about doing the Pro IT race at Lime Rock in a couple weeks. Not now.

Wasn't there a Pro IT race on 6/3 at New Jersey? All you FlatOut boys 'n girl were there. What was the weight there? Hmmm...

[trey]

As of June 1, the ITA weight of a 1994-1997 1.8L Miata is 2460lbs.

Change your stickers and get some lead or change your second class preference to STL.

That is all.

AB

STL weight for the 1.8 went to 2491 ... Not sure if you can run @ SM weights with SM compliant car ?????

I just added 150# to my car ... Very disappointed that it's gone in this direction.

[DrDomm]

Should've just made the 94-97s keep the restrictor on. This will be bad for ITA...less Miatas.

[Keith Novak]

Unless there's still a rule that cars in full SM trim are legal to race in STL, that change will save me a lot of money in entries, gas, and tires. Not to mention I'll have time to sit around between sessions.

[FTodaro]

Why would they make it so that SM's can't double dip. I am not sure I can add that much wt to my car. Don't get it?

[DrDomm]

Unless there's still a rule that cars in full SM trim are legal to race in STL, that change will save me a lot of money in entries, gas, and tires. Not to mention I'll have time to sit around between sessions.

Exactly, but I don't think that rule is present for ITA. It would then mean running the restrictor, as well.

If you add 100# to the right side of the car, you'd probably also need to adjust ride height a little. Seems way too complicated when you might have 20 minutes between regional sessions.

[Andy Bettencourt]

You have to look outside the SM box here guys. The ITAC/CRB decided the ITA 1.8 Miata needed weight. It's now 2460. They don't make decisions based on who can double dip, you do it for what's best your class.

It is a shame that there won't be much double dipping but it is what it is. STU is still open.

[tony senese]

LOL, AB you know how much IT guys LOVE miata's!!!

[Mike L]

Ha ha. I was thinking about doing the Pro IT race at Lime Rock in a couple weeks. Not now.

Wasn't there a Pro IT race on 6/3 at New Jersey? All you FlatOut boys 'n girl were there. What was the weight there? Hmmm...

Domm, you can still run ProIT at Lime Rock, there is an SM class. The eligible classes for ProIT races are:
ITR, ITS, ITA, ITB, ITC, SM

[FTodaro]

They should be making cross over easier not harder, its called loss of revenue. I do not know enough about the STU class but why would they have to have more wt. is it a parity issue with a Non Miata car?

[DrDomm]

Domm, you can still run ProIT at Lime Rock, there is an SM class. The eligible classes for ProIT races are:
ITR, ITS, ITA, ITB, ITC, SM

Oh....

I was just looking for an excuse to get out of there earlier and not spend the cash. Maybe.

But in general, it's probably good for the IT race group to allow SM's per the SM rules. They should still be slower than a true ITA Miata at 2460#.

[NV Racer]

San Francisco region has addressed the issue too much money in entry fees to lose.

This is from SF Region Supplemental regulations

SMT/SSM in ITA: 1990-1997 SMT or SSM class-compliant cars may enter ITA. SMT or SSM cars entering as ITA cars must comply with all SMT/SSM Class rules except for tires, which must comply with GCR Section 9.3.45 (Tires). All other ITA entries must comply fully with ITA class rules per GCR Section 9.1.3.

I assume there are other regions with similar rules.

Dennis

[Andy Bettencourt]

They should be making cross over easier not harder, its called loss of revenue. I do not know enough about the STU class but why would they have to have more wt. is it a parity issue with a Non Miata car?

The SCCA/CRB/ITAC is not concerned with cross overs. They are concerned with class parity within their classes. That is - and should be - their primary concern. Crossovers can be considered after the IT class is thought of first. Think of it backwards...would you want the SMAC holding back parity in SM so that they could cross over into other classes? No way.

This needs to be address locally if your Region really wants to grab the dollars. The SF supps are old I bet. Now that the ITA car weighs so much more, the gap in performance has shrunk significantly.

[Muda]

Don't think that will slow Brian down very much.

[Jim Drago]

One thing most here are missing.. Most IT guys HATE double dipping SM cars, this won't hurt their feelings at all. They have their own class and want to race more like cars, not SM 's. Hard for us to imagine, but outside SM, many think SM has way too much involvement in the club and other classes etc. Any SM car in full SM trim can run in STL, so that is your best bet for double dipping. The Sm double dipping cost STL a recognized SCCA National Champion this year.
I have heard several times "We don't know how many of those entries were real STL entries" Seems if a car meets the rules, pays the entries and runs the race, it would be a real entry, but what do I know.

So STL will be permitted to run the Runoffs, but SCCA will not recognize the winner as a National Champion until 2013. If you disagree with this, write your area director a letter.

[Rob Burgoon]

One thing most here are missing.. Most IT guys HATE double dipping SM cars, this won't hurt their feelings at all.

Ha, they probably hate losing to double dipping inferior SM cars. Since when is an IT car like any other? Don't they allow all kinds in that class? IT guys that complain need to start sucking less.

As far as SM running too many other classes, I imagine business has never been SCCA's strong suit.

[Jim Drago]

I think that is part of it, but I also think they want everyone to conform to the rules of the class. Torsen swaps and depowered racks etc are not legal in IT. Many IT drives feel that SM runs the club etc. To that I think SM should have a much larger voice than it has. If SM and it's entrants went away tomorrow, so would club racing.

[Rob Burgoon]

I think that is part of it, but I also think they want everyone to conform to the rules of the class. Torsen swaps and depowered racks etc are not legal in IT. Many IT drives feel that SM runs the club etc. To that I think SM should have a much larger voice than it has. If SM and it's entrants went away tomorrow, so would club racing.

Details details. If they can throw the car away and then go show up with a whole different car with different gear ratios, horsepower, weight, steering ratio and limited slip tech, they have no sympathy from me on a depowered rack in a slower car.

Hell, in my region you'd want really different horses for courses in ITA. (preaching to the choir, I know...)