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[suck fumes]

So in case you guys haven't heard....this past weekend at mid Ohio on the grid just before the race the stewards made all the boss mustangs put smaller restrictors in causing tempers to flare. After the green flag dropped all the mustangs came in and boycotted the race sending SCCA a message. Most people I know are moving to grand am now cause the decisions being made about the rules are ridiculous!!!

[CruzanTom]

I don't have a dog in this fight but SCCA just sent out this e-mail:


WC Vision Issues Statement Regarding Mustangs at Mid-Ohio

TOPEKA, Kan. (August 6, 2012) - WC Vision President and CEO Scott Bove issued the following statement today regarding the protest by a number of Pirelli World Challenge GTS Ford Mustang teams yesterday at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course:

“The teams and drivers that race in our series are passionate competitors who, at times, will express their opinions and we respect their decision to do so. Geoff Carter, Director of Competition for the Pirelli World Challenge, and his technical department have met at length with the Mustang teams and have explained their technical rulings.

“To maintain parity between the vastly different models of automobiles in each of the series' four categories, the technical department collects data from every car model, measuring performance in a multitude of areas, including rate of acceleration, cornering performance and rate of deceleration. The Mustang Boss 302 is currently among the fastest GTS cars in acceleration and top speed, it has at times demonstrated lateral capabilities on par with the best in the class, yet it appears to require further development under braking. Thus far in 2012, the Mustangs have achieved significant success with two victories, including seven podium and 15 top-five finishes. As we have done all year, the data garnered from each of the cars at Mid-Ohio will be evaluated in the 72 hours after the event. Any positive or negative adjustments to enhance parity in each of the classes will be made at least seven days prior to the 2012 season finale in Sonoma at the end of the month.”

[Roger Caddell]

Here is a Press Release with all of the details... at least from the competitors side!

Press Release

This will be interesting to see where this ends up.

[Rob Burgoon]

I don't have a dog in this fight but SCCA just sent out this e-mail:


WC Vision Issues Statement Regarding Mustangs at Mid-Ohio

TOPEKA, Kan. (August 6, 2012) - WC Vision President and CEO Scott Bove issued the following statement today regarding the protest by a number of Pirelli World Challenge GTS Ford Mustang teams yesterday at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course:

“The teams and drivers that race in our series are passionate competitors who, at times, will express their opinions and we respect their decision to do so. Geoff Carter, Director of Competition for the Pirelli World Challenge, and his technical department have met at length with the Mustang teams and have explained their technical rulings.

“To maintain parity between the vastly different models of automobiles in each of the series' four categories, the technical department collects data from every car model, measuring performance in a multitude of areas, including rate of acceleration, cornering performance and rate of deceleration. The Mustang Boss 302 is currently among the fastest GTS cars in acceleration and top speed, it has at times demonstrated lateral capabilities on par with the best in the class, yet it appears to require further development under braking. Thus far in 2012, the Mustangs have achieved significant success with two victories, including seven podium and 15 top-five finishes. As we have done all year, the data garnered from each of the cars at Mid-Ohio will be evaluated in the 72 hours after the event. Any positive or negative adjustments to enhance parity in each of the classes will be made at least seven days prior to the 2012 season finale in Sonoma at the end of the month.”

Decoded means: "if you don't race, we don't evaluate parity."

[Rob Burgoon]

Reading the other side's press release it looks like they should choke the Mustang further and open ECU or allow fuel pressure manipulation.


The science is nice and all, but to summarize it seems to be a longwinded way of saying "your plates make the engine run really lean, stop it".

[Roger Caddell]

Decoded means: "if you don't race, we don't evaluate parity."

Funny, when I first read the WC Statement I did not read anything into it other than a fairly generic statement about their process. However, after reading how how you decoded it... I think you are right. "You did not participate so we have nothing to judge parity, see you at the next race, have a nice day."

Interesting approach if that is correct.

[Rob Burgoon]

Funny, when I first read the WC Statement I did not read anything into it other than a fairly generic statement about their process. However, after reading how how you decoded it... I think you are right. "You did not participate so we have nothing to judge parity, see you at the next race, have a nice day."

Interesting approach if that is correct.

The other part is "I run the circus, dance you stupid rich monkeys!"

I believe that's a direct quote from Bernie.

Many officials power trip. It's what they do. Many don't like being questioned, least of all publicly. They see it as a threat to their authority so they double down, right, wrong, or indifferent.

If the racers were smart, they'd bring this up discretely first to avoid that sort of negative reaction. It's possible they already did.

You'd think something as clearly engine threatening as AFR would get resolved quickly.

[granracing]

sending SCCA a message.

Keep in mind SCCA doesn't run the WC show anymore.

Some interesting VW stuff going on there too.

[Roger Caddell]

Ford Racing released the following statement today following the protest Mustang Boss 302S drivers staged at Mid-Ohio Sunday in the SCCA World Challenge event:

STATEMENT FROM FORD RACING ON THE PROTEST OF ITS TEAMS IN SUNDAY'S SCCA WORLD CHALLENGE EVENT AT MID-OHIO:

"Ford is very proud of the Boss 302S and all the privateer teams that choose to campaign this production-based race car in SCCA World Challenge and other race series.
“Competitiveness is critical to the success of any racing series. The actions taken by the individual Ford teams on Sunday highlight the difficulty that World Challenge has had establishing and maintaining parity in the GTS class throughout the season and the resulting frustration of the competitors. We understand and share the Ford teams' concerns over the competitiveness and the resulting rules changes that have hurt them on track.
“Ford Racing is committed to continuing to work with the SCCA Pro series and the Boss 302S owners to establish a rules package that will allow all vehicle makes to be competitive in the exciting GTS class.”

[Rob Burgoon]

Need to make up their minds, is it competitiveness or lean AFR and reliablility?

[Blake Clements]

[Blake Clements]

Saw that on facebook, I had to share!

[dstevens]

Keep in mind SCCA doesn't run the WC show anymore.

As SCCA Pro is a wholly owned subsidiary of SCCA that licensed the promotion and marketing rights, who makes the parity rules? WC Vision? Whomever it is might want to consider listening to Ford. You don't want to push someone like that out of the series even if they are doing it via privateers. They've left a lot bigger programs than WC.

[Rob Burgoon]

Saw that on facebook, I had to share!

I don't get it. I think they might be butchering the condescending wonka meme.

Is the joke that horsepower doesn't help much at mid-O? Didn't the plate get tighter, not wider?

[granracing]

SCCA are the sanction and provide some staffing. The WC rules are done by the guys who own it. I don't know the specifics but one of SCCA's BOD was pretty clear to point out that this is not being done by SCCA.

WC Vision/Pirelli World Challenge
Co-Chairmen: Peter Cunningham, Charles Morgan, Nic Esayian
Partners: Dino Crescentini, Peter Cunningham, Nick Esayian, Jim Haughey, Charles Morgan, Bob Woodhouse
President and CEO: Scott Bove
VP, Marketing & Communications: Dave Drimmie
Pirelli World Challenge Competition Director: grcarter99@gmail.com
Marketing and Series Administrator: Susan Dunklau

[svvs]

SCCA are the sanction and provide some staffing. The WC rules are done by the guys who own it. I don't know the specifics but one of SCCA's BOD was pretty clear to point out that this is not being done by SCCA.

WC Vision/Pirelli World Challenge
Co-Chairmen: Peter Cunningham, Charles Morgan, Nic Esayian
Partners: Dino Crescentini, Peter Cunningham, Nick Esayian, Jim Haughey, Charles Morgan, Bob Woodhouse
President and CEO: Scott Bove
VP, Marketing & Communications: Dave Drimmie
Pirelli World Challenge Competition Director: grcarter99@gmail.com
Marketing and Series Administrator: Susan Dunklau

Look at the partners, and then look at the fact that Ford was ahead in the manufacturers points. I'm not saying it's a conflict of interest, but when your competitor is one of the owners of the series, I'd be concerned.

I actually can't really blame the Ford teams. If given the option of not racing, or racing within the rules and potentially blowing more motors/hurting my driver, I'd probably sit the race out as well. Just because it's pro racing doesn't mean the funds are endless.

[Alex Bolanos]

I don't get it. I think they might be butchering the condescending wonka meme.

Is the joke that horsepower doesn't help much at mid-O? Didn't the plate get tighter, not wider?

Puzzled me as well, I wish my restrictor plate gained 3mm between races....

Sounds to me like incessant whining, curiously the same as the whining you see in Grand AM DP and GT interviews.

[Blake Clements]

Puzzled me as well, I wish my restrictor plate gained 3mm between races....

Sounds to me like incessant whining, curiously the same as the whining you see in Grand AM DP and GT interviews.

From my understanding (which could be wrong), they went from 49mm to 52mm at Mid Ohio. Then were told they could go to 60mm (accidentally) and then told they had to go back to 52 mm. There was a long drawn out explanation, but it included the blame game, the wrong restrictors being in the wrong boxes, yadda yadda.

[Duncan]

I don't have a dog in this fight either, but there's a few mistakes in their technical explanation. M in their graph clearly relates to speed (sub vs supersonic) but they define it as Mass.

They also have this statement in the press release "the airflow has to accelerate to get through the reduced size air restrictor (think thumb on end of garden hose) which increases its velocity and its pressure."

The graph clearly shows that the pressure drops as it goes through the nozzle. I don't exactly understand the issue they're facing with the restrictors, however the explanation in this press release seems lacking.

The wikipedia article they stole the graphics from does a better job of explaining the graph.

http://en.wikipedia....ivergent_nozzle

[LarryKing]

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