57 replies to this topic

[Forrest Landy]

Yeah I'm coming I have missed to many damn races I am starting to twitch.

ill be there, coming out of retirement!

[AW33COM]

I would recommend reading the other thread in the link that Trussell
posted. They seem to go a little more in depth about the rule and some
of the reasoning behind it.

 

The reasoning behind it is wrong.  They did not think this through.   Look at my situation:  I was wrecked and the quarter panel was damaged.  We fixed it, but I'm no body guy, so the quarter panel is not perfect.  It looks worse than the white Honda ITB car that was written up.  We did not fix it perfectly as that would cost about $1300.  I prefer to spend that money on my seat time. 

 

Now if I show up to Summit Point, (which I did before) I will receive a time frame to fix my car or else. All in the name of teaching me a lesson to avoid physical contact.  Great, but problem is I was the victim and not the hitter.   How is making me fix my body panels to perfection ($$) going to avoid physical contact in the future if the contact was not my fault?  About 50% of the damaged cars will be in the same boat as me. 

 

I run with almost everyone in the NorthEast, and it's true at SCCA we have the most banged up cars, but we're racing and not just driving around without passing.   Physical contact will always exist.  SCCA must find a balance between: nice cars, not pissing people off, many entries, reasonable rule enforcement, and etc. 

 

Another thing, rule enforcement should be plus minus the same across all regions, because the GCR is national.  That way we don't have to figure out what regions to avoid.  This eliminates out of region entries.  I don't see a single positive for the club.  If there is a problem with physical contact, enforce the physical contact rules and penalties, but don't penalize me for something that was not my fault. 

[LarryKing]

I concur with AW. The 'haves' can hand-off their car to the shop that maintains it, write a check and go on their merry way, show up at the next race with a repaired car. A mom and pop team like myself does their own body work, I do mine in my driveway. I've replaced doors, fenders, patched quarter panels and I've found that fresh bodywork is a wingnut magnet. Not only is it money I don't have, but TIME I don't have. So I don't obsess over perfect bodywork

 

There is no way my car passes WDC criteria so I won't be participating in their events. Good job WDC - your work here is done.

 

Keep'n it simple, keep'n it fun.^TM

[Sebastian Landy]

I agree with both of you, I just thought that a little bit of background would help the people who don't know the sometimes crazy actions of the WDC stewards. Unless everybody already knows...

[David L]

My damage was through no fault of my own as well, I am coming out and I am very interested to see if they send me to tech. The car has looked the same since the incident at MARRS 8 last year. Prior to that season I did all the body work new fenders and new paint, and to be honest I don't feel like doing it again I barely have enough money to race let alone rebuild the car every time someone hits me. 

[Johnny D]

^{(whispering) is anybody going to mention the 50/50 rule.}

^J~

[Rob Burgoon]

^{(whispering) is anybody going to mention the 50/50 rule.}

^J~

 

NASA's rule?  I'd rather it was 200/100

[Muda]

Makes it real easy to have a wide car.  Tried it once, guys got real upset.  Not my kinda racing.

[Johnny D]

1 for Rob

0 for Muda

J~

[Muda]

Don't know how instituting a rule that allows you to legally chop a guy into the dirt would benefit a side to side contact problem.

[Johnny D]

Don't know how instituting a rule that allows you to legally chop a guy into the dirt would benefit a side to side contact problem.

Wrong answer, 0 for Muda. Would you like another guess ??

J~

[Muda]

No, through guessing.

Yea, lets make it based on fault.

Because so many times the result of contact that is documented contains a clear statement of fault.

Like maybe 10% of the time?

And let's track who gets to pound out a fender and who needs to put on new one.

H ell, the SCCA doesn't track contact so how's that going to work?

 

I got called into tech  at the ARRC two years ago for car condition.

The Stewart started giving me a real hard time about a dented fender, telling me that I wouldn't be able to race on Sunday.

So, I told him it was a rental.  He didn't seem to care until I told him whose rental it was.

Since it was one of his buddies he laughed and walked away.

How do you think this kind of thing would go down at SP?

 

The concept of adding cost to racing so that guys will be less likely to have incidents is highly suspect, IMHO.

The guys that have incidents tend to drive over their heads and try passes that are high risk and stupid.

They don't think about the repercussions before they turn in, they just do it in the heat of the battle...or the heat of the mist.

A few think that intimidation is an excellent defense and get very aggressive when you come along side.

 

Anyone whose been out there a couple of weekends knows who these guys are.

I was told who to watch on my first race weekend.

What we should be doing is investigating and more importantly tracking contact.

If a guy is having multiple contacts every weekend there's probably a reason for it.

While it could be the traffic he's running with, more than likely it's him.

His videos should be reviewed and action should be taken....whether or not there is a protest.

It's the only way to control the carnage.

 

[Johnny D]

Here's a clue. I'm talking about the subject of the thread, not racing room.

 

I'll give you lesson one in an hour or so if you don't figure it out.

There's 2 lessons.

J~

[LarryKing]

The problem with NASA's rulebook is each region is a franchise and in some instances that I've witnessed the rules are enforced differently depending on which McDonald's, err, NASA region you're at. This thread gives evidence that the same thing happens within the SCCA.

[Johnny D]

It's not a regional thing.

It's in here from the NASA site.

http://www.nasaprora...m/rules/ccr.pdf

J~

[LarryKing]

Yep, that's where the rulebook is, all right, but the regions enforce the rulebook... sometimes inconsistently.

 

Sometimes, regional directors make up rules.

 

Anywho, what's your point?

 

PS: which is going 50 mph, the tech inspector or the car getting teched?

[Qik Nip]

This is what we get when old lady non racers deicde what racers need. Every year at my annual tech, they point out the same two dents (you know, the ones just behind the door?) and I promise to them fixed. Bitching aside, that adaptation was damn funny!

Rick

[Johnny D]

Shhh. no talking in class!!!

 

Please open the link and go to page 95, for lesson 1.

J~

[Johnny D]

Everyone see 27.4 .2 ??

[Johnny D]

Lesson 2 is on page 59.

J~