Cnj, on 24 Dec 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:
Not because I think anyone has produced useable data to support this (posts of torque curves alone for cars of unequal wieght is not useable data), but because I think it would not hurt the class to give 1.6's a small bump in performance and let things play out for a while.
However I am bemused at the vociferous complaints on the web site with no quantification of the disadvantage (reciting Runnoffs winners is not data) or unity in proposed solutions.
Right now several of you could unite and make the argument for (modest) lower wieght and probably get it approved rapidly.
CNJ
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Your point one, take any rpm line under 5,500 rpm and under off Drago's dyno graph for his 1.6 and for his 99 car and compare, weight/pound foot and then convert to pounds. Which car totes more pure weight in pounds relative torque for a given rpm?
Your point two, if you have not read on this site post after post from 1.6er's watching a 99 plus cars as they come out of a corner at equal speeds drive away, then maybe you have selective reading capabilities. < Said with a smile. Folks from Mid Ohio, folks from Road America, folks from Blackhawk Farm, folks on the left coast. I received a pm from a left coaster yesterday saying the same thing after he had qulified his 1.6 P2 for a Majors race. My only bitch has been the lack of torque the 1.6 has below 5,500 rpm. It's been that way since the 99 plus cars were classed.
You point three, if you use a weight of 2,200 pounds for a 1.6 car and repeat the excerise from point one with the 99 car at 2,400 pounds, you'll find lightenig the 1.6 car doesn't get it done. By my math with the 1.6 at 2,200 pounds, the 1.6 totes 105 more pounds than the 99 in a straight line drag race. If my math is wrong please correct me.
And when ever reducing weight (which can not be reduced enough to make pound/pound foot similar enough to get the job done) for the 1.6 is talked about the first thing the 99er's start squaking about is, if the car has more torque the 1.6 needs to weigh more. I'm sure no one in the 1.6 world sould squak with a heaver car if the torque under 5,500 rpm was similar usabel to the 99 car. If that torque carried over the 5,500 rpm, no question the 1.6 would need to be brought back as needed. Or the 99 plus cars un-leashed as needed.