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[Johnny D]

We shave these as well, ask anyone at the NASA champs.

Also, Hoosier would need to sell off all old tires, but were willing, so it would like be a 6-12 month transition.

Ron, About shaving...I don't think I'm taking this out of context ^^
J~

[Ron Alan]

I was referring to shaving Hoosiers in the other thread

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Mr Webb...I will point out that Mr Cresci did say he ran the same times on old tires as new...kind of a relevant point dont you think? 

 

And to Mark D. credit, he is running Toyos until at least 1 has no lines or his help yells at him! And many are following suit in the West! Not a significant drop at any of our tracks.

IMO the only reason you can run same time on old worn out tires as fresh ones is the fresh ones arent shaved.  If everyone is running old tires then run old tires, but in any deep field tires can make a huge difference even .2 per lap for 15 laps in enormous.

 

to adress your statement Johhny, supposedly Mid Ohio like old tires yet the last Nasa nats held there was won on new tires!  last october the swing between 18+ hc and new tires was 1second, while I ran up front with the old ones there was no freakin way I was gona be there for the win on those tires, my best finish was p4 at around 15hc and there was no way I was gonna even sniff the win on those tires!

 

I have seen one set of shaved hoosiers ever, they were absolutly slower on track that day and the tires were then abandoned in favor or full tread!  

 

Hoosier has given us over and above service at the track and more they are reachable by a simple phone call and are always helpful!  Never seen a Toyo employee even once, you want a tire call your favorite tire dealer...

 

Changing tires to a 195 favors the very pointy end guys, they wil figure the new tire out faster and it will widen  the gap to the mid pack.  They also have the means by which to test the tire and know it before they even transition to it, while the mid pack guy will figure it out maybe by end of season only  starting on day one of him running out of the Old tire!  

 

We are going through hubs wearing them out because the new hubs are JUNK! it has nothing to do with tires!  I have not changed a hub on my car this year!!!!  But I dont run the Junk hubs

[Sean - MiataCage]

 

Changing tires to a 195 favors the very pointy end guys, they wil figure the new tire out faster and it will widen  the gap to the mid pack.  They also have the means by which to test the tire and know it before they even transition to it, while the mid pack guy will figure it out maybe by end of season only  starting on day one of him running out of the Old tire!  

 

We are going through hubs wearing them out because the new hubs are JUNK! it has nothing to do with tires!  I have not changed a hub on my car this year!!!!  But I dont run the Junk hubs

 

Its the same tire compound, sidewall construction etc.  In theory all chages favor the pointy end guys more than others simply becuase they are executing at a higher level.  I don't think it's that big of a deal going down to a 195 for anyone as long as it's the same compound etc.  The tires will certainly need to be managed more throughout the race, but that's racing.  Should we start instituing trophies for entering so as not to offend anyone not at the front?

 

If this were ever to happen there would need to be a significant transition period, so by the time it were implemented for its first race everyone would have had plenty of time to test or try out the new tire on multiple tracks.

 

While the new hubs may be worse than years past, I don't think it is fair to pin all of that on the failures.  I believe that the engineers on this forum would not agree that tire width and contact patch have nothing to do with hub failure.  More mechanical grip equals more load on the hubs which means less life.  These street car hubs were never intended to handle the loads and forces we are subjecting them to for any significant length of time.  Agree that the quality seems to have gone down in recent years and it has certainly had an impact, but I just think there is a little more to it.  Many people who are re-greasing their hubs often do not get the seal put back in properly which also has an impact.

 

Sean

[Johnny D]

Just a FYI both clubs have multi year contracts that renew different years.
 
And different regions have different support from both MFGs.
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[philstireservice]

That is a track dependent question. Mid O is not the norm. but at the O bald skin RR's are the fastest. a full tread RR is about a second or more off the pace and at our track you can grain them easy so IMO the Hoosier's harder compound is a better buy as it does not grain and is race ready as a sticker. RR's have to be shaved or you have to put lots of laps on them before you can race them hard with out graining. Would rather have the Hoosier.

Frank the shaving aspect of RR's is track specific also. 

[FTodaro]

Frank the shaving aspect of RR's is track specific also. 

Agree 100% going to other tracks some like fresh stickers. At those tracks that i have raced they do not have a graining problem either.