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Why provisional results?

16 cars did not start, Not Classified.  

 

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It was raining and they were afraid they'd get wet.


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It was raining and they were afraid they'd get wet.

Any idea why provisional on Monday?


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Any idea why provisional on Monday?

Protests? Volunteer webmaster? COVID? 


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Results were provisional because Yiannis was under protest. Imagine that  :unsure:

In short, he was 3-4 car lengths behind Danny at the start.. As Danny( we all know he brakes early typically)  and the rest of the field breoke for turn one lap one.. Yiannis passed Danny on the inside wall, wide open as Danny was braking, passed him wide open and hit connor Zillisch as turning in for turn one, no brake lights on Yiannis until he hit Connor and spun him in front of the field. Supposedly dq from race, three points and 3 race probabtion.  I wish I can say this is abnormal behavior, but I would say more the norm.  The guys will never change. I dont think anything has ever been his fault and listens to no one.  He walked in to OPM Trailer with Danny, Chuck and Myself watching it.. I will keep their comments private but basically we were all in agreement that this was really bad, 100% avoidable and 0 % chance of any other outcome.. It did not appear to sink in at all.  :( He qualified about a full second back of top 9 and 1.6 off pole. The likelihood of him finishing top 5 was not good under normal circumstances. So what do you do, you go for the lead in turn one. :( The term 'dart without feathers"  was used to describe this individual ( not by me BTW) and seems quite appropriate.  I hate racing with this guy as he is fast, but wreckless often ruins races, weekends and cars for others. Eventually he will hurt someone. its not an if, but a when. 


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In other news.. 

It seems SCCA  is still looking at the VVT cars, well ESR VVT cars in particular :) Data boxes in my car and Prestons in race one. Really getting old.. Not sure wtf they are looking for, but keep looking I guess. If it was once again about "parity" why not put boxes in best VVT and 99/00 cars at each event.    If SMAC and/or SCCA tech staff dont know what cars are the best by now and who should be getting data boxes, well that says alot! What are you guys looking at? All the drivers seem to know?  You cant govern and make these decisions from the cheap seats or from TV ;)  You need to participate or be there and see first hand IMO. 

 

With all the data, tear down, inspections, dyno tests last year at the runoffs.. I thought this bullshit would have been over by now. Our class is growing almost despite the sanctioning bodies and advisory committess, certainly not because of them. No inflated contingencies etc to buy new participants either. Just the best class, best racing at an affordable price and a great community!  This is clear to most and it brings in new members naturally.  Its time to leave our class alone. Outside members on smac, I dont see all the parity complaints that we are supposedly getting ? Why are they in fastrak? Where are all these lettters asking for changes?   People are building and winning in new build 99 cars. Make the choice you think is best for yourself and race it. Don't build one and try to slow the other.  Any changes SMAC decides to make are nothing more than rewards weights imo at this point and is not what we do in SM!  The dyno data does not support changes imo, nor do the results.  The first three races of the seaon.. podium day 1-2, the three drivers with the most national championships miraciooulsy were 1-2-3..  One won by me, one by Preston and the Elivan on the podium both days.. Sebring dry race 1.. Elivan wins, I am p3 and Preston DNF.. Seems to make sense to me ;)

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Following from a distance these days...but SCCA and data collection is confusing me? No HP/TQ limit per the rules in SM correct? I assume nothing in the rules they could enforce to justify a DQ or some penalty(with data)...are they just comparing car to car? Gathering data to look for something next event? Maybe ECU funny business?

 

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Following from a distance these days...but SCCA and data collection is confusing me? No HP/TQ limit per the rules in SM correct? I assume nothing in the rules they could enforce to justify a DQ or some penalty(with data)...are they just comparing car to car? Gathering data to look for something next event? Maybe ECU funny business?

 

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 I have been told its parity and data gathering.. But if thats the case it is being done VERY poorly IMOand all of this should have been long since setlled after this years dyno results at  Indy and Daytona.. They are public.  After a three year solid VVt witch hunt.  The ecu funny business was also checked at Sebring last year and Ecus sent to Mazda. 

 

This is nothing more than more than committess acting on their own without the justification by results, protest or letters in the system IMO. All these letters should be in fastrak, where are they? 


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Just to be crystal clear, the SMAC has zero involvement in choosing if data boxes are deployed at a race much less choosing who gets a data box.   As I understand it data boxes in cars are driven by CRB request and sent to the technical staff to implement.   If a data box is put in a car that raw data is NOT shared at all with SMAC.  The data representative in Topeka gets the raw data and puts it into a very generic anonymized whisker box report that we generally see once per year.  Thanks.


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