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[Glenn]

Please note that there are products from other manufacturers such as DefNder and Leatt Brace that were previously certified and labeled as meeting SFI 38.1. They are not currently listed on the SFI website because they are no longer in new production. However, any devices still in the field or at retail outlets that have SFI 38.1 stickers on them were properly tested and certified at the time. The certifications for those devices remain valid.

Does this mean SCCA will accept DefNder? Inquiring drivers want to know!

[Keith Novak]

Does it have a SCCA certification sticker on it?

[Glenn]

Does it have a SCCA certification sticker on it?

Question should be does it have an SFI sticker on it. SCCA does'nt certify dooky

[Keith Novak]

Doh! Brain fart.

[Johnny D]

There's also a thread I'll have to look up about if your SFI label peeled off or just showing VOID.
J~

[Doug007]

In related news, the R3 Rage has been discontinued (tired to order one from Summit Racing and was told they are not available). I think they are only making the pro carbon fiber version now ($995).

Looks like HANS is regaining their monopoly...

[Sphinx]

Here's why defnder is no longer being produced: http://www.africanbu...-technology-llc

Interestingly, I couldn't find any information on the resolution for the lawsuit by hans against them.

[dstevens]

Here's why defnder is no longer being produced: http://www.africanbu...-technology-llc

Interestingly, I couldn't find any information on the resolution for the lawsuit by hans against them.

My understanding is that HANs and IST settled. Didn't know that Leatt and IST were at odds last year. It's a default judgement which is interesting. I wonder if IST knew they were in the wrong and chose not to respond. Have you looked at what Pacer has on IST with regard to both HANs and Leatt? The Leatt product is used quite a bit in karting. It's far bettter than the required foam neck collar.

[Sphinx]

My understanding is that HANs and IST settled. Didn't know that Leatt and IST were at odds last year. It's a default judgement which is interesting. I wonder if IST knew they were in the wrong and chose not to respond. Have you looked at what Pacer has on IST with regard to both HANs and Leatt? The Leatt product is used quite a bit in karting. It's far bettter than the required foam neck collar.

Good question. I didn't check Pacer, as I'm sure any settlement would be confidential with simply a dismissal on file. As for the default, that's kind of a stupid response to take a default judgment. A default judgment could have put the company totally out of existance. So, I'm not sure how they are stil in business. My only guess is that they gave up the defnder name/website, all assets went to either Leatt or to HANS and IST just walked away from it.

[Bench Racer]

My only guess is that they gave up the defnder name/website,

According to their website Defnder continues to sell parts.

[dstevens]

According to their website Defnder continues to sell parts.

Yep, but it appears that they haven't made any in a while. Just because they got a judgement against them doesn't mean it's been enforced. Once you get a judgement, you have to go to the proper authority and have it enforced. A bankruptcy can delay or derail that as can an appeal to the judgement.

A head and neck restraint is cheap insurance. I had an angiogram a couple months back. Not stents. Hospital alone bill not quite 30K for a six hour stay. Surgeon and other bits another $32k plus. I got great insurance, I was at max out of pocket and that alone cost me just over a grand. Not counting the nearly $100k of work they've billed on me in 2k11. The ol' man just had a stent in his widow maker, bill to Medicare, $75k all in.

So what do you think a basilar skull fracture will cost? If it doesn't kill you, whcih is what it usuually does. Not counting your familie's grieving. So now that $700-1200 foer a head and neck fo a dangerous hobby doesn't seem so bad.

[Keith Novak]

They may have just decided it wasn't a good financial decision to fight it and win. I recently got a patent that was in dispute for 7 years. The only people who made real money off it were the lawyers.

[plane]

We al think that patents are great.... I have a tech friend who says "The problem with petents is that you have to defend them."

[Cnj]

They may have just decided it wasn't a good financial decision to fight it and win. I recently got a patent that was in dispute for 7 years. The only people who made real money off it were the lawyers.

Know exactly what u mean Keith. I am in year 6 of another patent chase to the tune of $45K so far. Makes SM racing look cheap.

Cnj

[granracing]

Here's why defnder is no longer being produced:

I spoke with the owner several weeks ago and he stated that was only one of the many reasons. He owns multiple businesses and from what I could read into our discussion this H&NR business had too many headaches and too low return on investment.

[Bench Racer]

He owns multiple businesses and from what I could read into our discussion this H&NR business had too many headaches and too low return on investment.

Similar info told by Defnder months ago when I called.

[forestdweller37]

Looks like Def-n-der's back.

http://www.necksgen.com/index.html

[Todd Tagget]

I just called them.. It's actually a brand new company!!