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[steveracer]

I think allowing the 06+ cars in is a VERY bad idea!

 

Like Jim said, all they share with the older cars is the name plate and we might as well let Hondas and whoever else runs similar lap times in with us. Wait, isn't that the P(roduction/arade)/ I(m)T(ired of getting beat by Miatas) run group?

 

We need to fix the ambiguous rule, get both sanctioning bodies on board completely including tires, and go back to hard racing.

[Glenn]

I think allowing the 06+ cars in is a VERY bad idea!

 

Like Jim said, all they share with the older cars is the name plate and we might as well let Hondas and whoever else runs similar lap times in with us. Wait, isn't that the P(roduction/arade)/ I(m)T(ired of getting beat by Miatas) run group?

 

We need to fix the ambiguous rule, get both sanctioning bodies on board completely including tires, and go back to hard racing.

Sounds like 04 discussions of the NB sans the "Honda" comparison

[Dickweed]

Perhaps an un-corked NB can hang with a corked NC if done properly...  Just sayin

[MPR22]

Can't find it but there was a nice video of what happens when you mix NB and NCs at the 2011 ARRC.  Blame who you want for the crash, more of the same will happen. 

[Glenn]

Can't find it but there was a nice video of what happens when you mix NB and NCs at the 2011 ARRC.  Blame who you want for the crash, more of the same will happen. 

Wow now that's a stretch!  I can show you plenty of video of SM/SM carnage as well as MX5/MX5 bashing.

[MPR22]

Wow now that's a stretch!  I can show you plenty of video of SM/SM carnage as well as MX5/MX5 bashing.

Ask any of those involved if it is stretch.  Almost nobody wanted the NC mixed in with the NBs at that race.  MIke Collins might not see it that way, but the others involved in the accident were not happy before the race and surely not happy after the race. 

[Dickweed]

Ask any of those involved if it is stretch.  Almost nobody wanted the NC mixed in with the NBs at that race.  MIke Collins might not see it that way, but the others involved in the accident were not happy before the race and surely not happy after the race. 

Hard for me to blame the car for the drivers actions

[Glenn]

Ask any of those involved if it is stretch.  Almost nobody wanted the NC mixed in with the NBs at that race.  MIke Collins might not see it that way, but the others involved in the accident were not happy before the race and surely not happy after the race. 

I was there, the NC should NOT have been seperated and put to the back.  He should have run based on his Q time.  He did so as not to mix up with the SM's at the start, guess the plan was better than the actual implementation, but the mixing of NB/NC had NOTHING to do with the escapade at 10A

[MPR22]

What was the plan?   Ah there you go, he was suppose to be faster and drive away from the SMs.  I guess that didn't work out, so was it Mikes fault he didn't fall in line or Danny's fault for getting pissed and turning him when the plan didn't happen?   You clearly blame one of the two drivers.  I'll stick with my theory, the cars don't mix well, causing frustration and bad decision making.  See all the time in Chump Car, alphabet soup classes when I drive STL in SM trim.  The F Prods kill me in the straights but are horribly driven.    

 

You can argue all you want to bring the NCs into the class but that will cause 5x the trouble that bringing the NBs in did.  I won't be part of it.  I love SM but that change will force me to find another class or just quit racing.  

[tferranti]

Do not bring the NC into SM.  SM5 is the class for that.  The cars are too different.

[Glenn]

   You clearly blame one of the two drivers. .  

Nope I blame BOTH, and poor Skip got the unfortunate end to his weekend.  

 

I dont have a dog in the hunt any longer, what Im saying is that the future is not very far away.  ND's coming out soon, Playboy Cup cars for sale, old technology cars becoming obsolete, Mazda wanting to keep thier product in the "lime light".....math seems pretty simple to me.  Embrace the change.....or get run over by it, but its coming either way....if I had to "guess".......

[Dickweed]

With the lack of competitive NA's at the runoffs, Why wouldn't Mazda/SCCA want to move the class forward with the NB vs NC ? Let the NA have it's own SM2 class  

 

If properly done with RP and weight the NC could start out as the underdog and in due time become the overdog.

 

I'm confident that Mazda wants to keep up with the times and bring the class into the 2000's. Sorry to all the NA owners but that's whats coming 

[FTodaro]

Man, i just built a VVT Car, I hate to think i am already going to be behind the curve. Where are those guys always complaining about the cost to compete?

 

I have not done much homework on the MX5 only to say that Novak has been in my ear for two years to build one. I have heard they are not that much fun/easy to drive as the 99+ cars but that is not vary scientific. Change will happen like it or not, as Mike C. said its only a matter of time. I am not sure we are there yet but that is likely a true statement.

 

This topic does bring out one point for those in the other threads talking about rule creep and the "good Old Days" this is an ever changing class, in my mind as it should be. Times change things change, some good, some not as good. I think those at the helm are doing the best they can, with our input, to make the right call on moving the class.

 

We will figure it out, i just think its still a bit too soon.

 

There may come a day when we have to look at this class where we have regional and national/majors rule distinctions. Meaning, making the 1.6 or other models Regional racing only. that keeps the cost for them down and allows different parity rules in the major's class.

 

something would have to change as it would be a challenge to make 4 different versions equal.

[LarryKing]

 

Can't find it but there was a nice video of what happens when you mix NB and NCs at the 2011 ARRC. Blame who you want for the crash, more of the same will happen.

 

Hmmmmm, we just started 81 cars at VIR including an SM5, SRFs, all manor of IT classes, a Spec B and an AS Caddy CTS-V. All made it through lap 1.

 

 

If properly done with RP and weight the NC could start out as the underdog and in due time become the overdog.

 

Boy, have we heard that before.

[Bench Racer]

 
 

Man, i just built a VVT Car, I hate to think i am already going to be behind the curve.
 
We will figure it out, i just think its still a bit too soon.
 
There may come a day when we have to look at this class where we have regional and national/majors rule distinctions. Meaning, making the 1.6 or other models Regional racing only. that keeps the cost for them down and allows different parity rules in the major's class.
 
something would have to change as it would be a challenge to make 4 different versions equal.

Point one above, how's it feel? 

Point two above, not to soon at all.

Point three above is rather arrogant, some would call your point three exclusionary.

Point four, with my best inclusion vision for year 2015 based on spec line.

No seperation of classes  for any races.

1990/1993 SMA

1995/1997 SMB

1999/2000 SMC

2001/2005 SMD

Newer spec line SME  

 

Frank and others, SMA through SME classes is very doable and inclusionary for all Spec Miata race car owners. Or break up the spec lines for the best inclusionary classes. When the SMA cars fade away, so be it. It's a natural progression without the leader of the pack saying, you  1.6, cheap a$$es always bitcing about parity need to go. Any issues can be straightened out before the get-go.

[Jim Drago]

You guys all wanted SM5 up there.. so run it up there All told us how great it is/ was and going to be.. kind of like B spec. If as good as all claim, there is no need to merge with SM, It should/could sustain itself.

[Tom Sager]

With the lack of competitive NA's at the runoffs, Why wouldn't Mazda/SCCA want to move the class forward with the NB vs NC ? Let the NA have it's own SM2 class  

 

If properly done with RP and weight the NC could start out as the underdog and in due time become the overdog.

 

I'm confident that Mazda wants to keep up with the times and bring the class into the 2000's. Sorry to all the NA owners but that's whats coming 

 

Mr. Richard Weed, let me see if I have this right.  You want the NC's which already have their own class to compete in the SM class and you want part of the SM class (NA cars) to take a hike and run on their own?

 

What is so special about these NC cars that they should be given this treatment and all others should bow to thee?  If the NC car is such a hot shyt piece, why has the SM5 class not grown on its' own?  

[Johnny D]

Mr. Richard Weed,

 

    

 

J~

[Jim Drago]

while I like Mr Weeds avatar.. I dislike anonymous posters

[Dickweed]

Mr. Richard Weed, let me see if I have this right.  You want the NC's which already have their own class to compete in the SM class and you want part of the SM class (NA cars) to take a hike and run on their own?

 

What is so special about these NC cars that they should be given this treatment and all others should bow to thee?  If the NC car is such a hot shyt piece, why has the SM5 class not grown on its' own?  

Tom, you can call me Dick

 

I think I'm just stating the obvious. How many competitive NA's are competing at the national level? Why wouldn't Mazda want to move SM forward into this mellenium?