139 replies to this topic

[Todd Lamb]

We taped the screen for years and years. Then it randomly became a rule due to prod classes.

Seems to me that if there are letters asking for the rule to be changed back, the CRB needs to consider it. Or Wheel are you saying you have the sole and final call on this matter?

[Andrew Charbonneau]

Thank you for the explanations. Personally I dont care either way. I dont think moving from tape to no tape has or will change my finishing position. Whatever the rule is is what I will do. I do wish I would have known all this a few years ago, I would have been trying to run more tape!

sorry craig you always had it but you were left out of the loop second place is ok first looser lol magic man 

[Andrew Charbonneau]

[Andrew Charbonneau]

[Andrew Charbonneau]

[Craig Berry]

Andrew, as usual you are correct.....I did not have enough tape! IF YOUR NOT FIRST, YOUR LAST! Could not agree with you more buddy

[wheel]

Todd,

I am just trying to let you all know that I doubt there is any sentiment to change this rule.  If there is a letter and the SMAC says they want to change the rule and the members input is in favor of a rule change, then, sure, the rule could change if a majority of the CRB votes to change it.  Given the discussion and input when this was discussed before, I doubt it would be changed.  Personally, I don't care either way. 

 

And, as a matter of fact I do not have sole or final call on any rules.   The CRB has seven other members and I only vote if there is a tie.  I think even you can do the math on that one.  ;-)

[FTodaro]

Now that Mike fixed my download issue I can post a picture of exactly what i am talking about.

 

Wheel i know that there have been several letters written to the CRB requesting they revisit this rule. I obviously was not privy to the discussions about what the concerns were and why the rule was adopted. The only thing i have heard second hand is Aero.

 

I have asked they revisit this. I will add that if there is a concern about some type of competitive advantage I make two points:

 

Everyone has the same competitive advantage, so there is no advantage, anyone can decide to do it or not and therefore its really a matter of choice not an advantage.

 

If there is something i am missing about not wanting the taping to go two far, i am sure language could be drafted that would limit it to the face of the screen, or attached to the screen, and not the bumper or what ever would address the issue.

 

This is what i am talking about.

Attached Files

•  tape.jpg   124.64KB   5 downloads

[wheel]

If you have an old letter number on the issue, I can do a trace and see what the discussion was.  I can't remember this coming through the CRB recently, but the volume of letters has been nuts, so I may just not remember it.  There are two request on the SMAC site on the issue, but it has not come to the CRB.

wheel

[FTodaro]

If you have an old letter number on the issue, I can do a trace and see what the discussion was.  I can't remember this coming through the CRB recently, but the volume of letters has been nuts, so I may just not remember it.  There are two request on the SMAC site on the issue, but it has not come to the CRB.

wheel

On 2/20/15

I sent the following to the CRB site

 

http://www.crbscca.com/

 

 

 

_________________________________________________________________________

 

Propose to remove the requirement that tape only be applied to the radiator rather than the face of the screen mesh. There is no aero advantage and no reason to require tape on the radiator only. This requires significant dismantling of the cooling system and unnecessary risk of injury to avoid an unproven advantage of Aero.

 

The rule:

O. Cooling System

 

5. A radiator screen of 1/4 inch minimum mesh may be added in front of the radiator. The screen must be installed behind the front bumper cover and attached to the air guide. Tape and/or other materials may not be applied to the mesh or in the radiator opening in the bodywork. Tape or other materials may only be added directly to the radiator.

[wheel]

That letter will work its way through the system.  I'm not sure if the SMAC discussed it at their last meeting, as I was traveling to the convention and did not attend the meeting.  They will make a recommendation and send it up to the CRB in the near future.

wheel

[davew]

I assume what you intend is

 

5. A radiator screen of 1/4 inch minimum mesh may be added in front of the radiator. The screen must be installed behind the front bumper cover and attached to the air guide. Tape and/or other materials may not be applied to the mesh or in the radiator opening in the bodywork. Tape or other materials may only be added directly to the radiator.

 

I would add:     ...air guide. Tape may be added to the screen to regulate air flow to the radiator. Tape or other products may not be added to the bumper cover.

 

If we are gonna rewrite this. Let's get it right the first time.

 

Dave

[FTodaro]

I assume what you intend is

 

5. A radiator screen of 1/4 inch minimum mesh may be added in front of the radiator. The screen must be installed behind the front bumper cover and attached to the air guide. Tape and/or other materials may not be applied to the mesh or in the radiator opening in the bodywork. Tape or other materials may only be added directly to the radiator.

 

I would add:     ...air guide. Tape may be added to the screen to regulate air flow to the radiator. Tape or other products may not be added to the bumper cover.

 

If we are gonna rewrite this. Let's get it right the first time.

 

Dave

Basically yes Dave, I was just quoting the current rule, but as a proposal it would be to strike that language. And agree we can limit the application of tape to the screen, no need to tape bumper, but we should craft it in such a way that we limit "the no bumper tape" to covering radiator, as some guys do tape over the fog light holes and i would assume that is permissible.

[38bfast]

Those letters came in after our last meeting. It will go on next months agenda.

[LarryKing]

Thus grill tape becomes a tech item. Keeping it simple, keeping it fun.

[Jim Drago]

I assume what you intend is

 

5. A radiator screen of 1/4 inch minimum mesh may be added in front of the radiator. The screen must be installed behind the front bumper cover and attached to the air guide. Tape and/or other materials may not be applied to the mesh or in the radiator opening in the bodywork. Tape or other materials may only be added directly to the radiator.

 

I would add:     ...air guide. Tape may be added to the screen to regulate air flow to the radiator. Tape or other products may not be added to the bumper cover.

 

If we are gonna rewrite this. Let's get it right the first time.

 

Dave

It was rewritten once already.. While I dislike the rule as well, I don't think there is going to be any traction in getting it changed.  You(We) can run a Tstat or if we don't like we can continue to burn arms tapping radiator and make expensive flaps on the radiators etc. If there is even a hint that there is ANY advantage in doing it, I seriously doubt it will go anywhere. In short, you can get from A-C with out using B (tape). just harder top do,  So it is unlikely it will go anywhere

Jim

[Jim Drago]

sorry craig you always had it but you were left out of the loop second place is ok first looser lol magic man 

I like this video selection better Grille tape working at its' finest

[FTodaro]

It was rewritten once already.. While I dislike the rule as well, I don't think there is going to be any traction in getting it changed.  You(We) can run a Tstat or if we don't like we can continue to burn arms tapping radiator and make expensive flaps on the radiators etc. If there is even a hint that there is ANY advantage in doing it, I seriously doubt it will go anywhere. In short, you can get from A-C with out using B (tape). just harder top do,  So it is unlikely it will go anywhere

Jim

Jim

 

Who has proven there is an advantage? is it opinion or proof?

 

What is the advantage? if its open to all then its choice not advantage.

 

Maybe taping off the air inlet at the bumper face would be an areo advantage. but if your talking about restricting air inside the recessed air inlet (behind the bumper) you would have to show me the data, and if there is an advantage, it would just be noise.

[Jim Drago]

Jim

 

Who has proven there is an advantage? is it opinion or proof?

 

What is the advantage? if its open to all then its choice not advantage.

 

Maybe taping off the air inlet at the bumper face would be an areo advantage. but if your talking about restricting air inside the recessed air inlet (behind the bumper) you would have to show me the data, and if there is an advantage, it would just be noise.

Since when do you need to prove anything? I didn't say it was proven either

Plain and simply, it is a perceived advantage and the 1.6 guys don't seem to want to do it, so at best it adds more drama.  Stranger things have happened, but I will not be holding my breathe waiting on this change. 

Jim

[Andrew Charbonneau]

I like this video selection better Grille tape working at its' finest

jesus how many hp was i really down lol