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[KW78]

OEM exhaust manifold heat shield.

 

Is the OEM exhaust manifold heat shield painted or plated?

 

What happened to the good old saying if it doesn't say you can, you can't ? Per rule, Authorized Modifications....................

 

Again, get facts...  It does say you can.  You can refurbush with industry norms a heat shield.  I have a brand new mazda heat shield for a 99 in hand.  Touch it to wire wheel and it clearly has a silver coating on the outside over a base metal, with some visual thickness (more than a layer of paint!)   This is not a tortured interpretation!  It also is 2 layers spot welded together, with a dull coating on the inside  

 

Lolz.  Regarding interpreting the GCR logically, how about we start with:  A thin layer of spray paint is not a thermal coating. 

 

What's next....better make sure you don't leave any greasy fingerprints on the heat shield, cause it might be considered a thermal coating!!!

 

Exactly... and while people say you can't use a tortured interpretation to defend a rule, tech uses a tortured interpretation to play "gotcha".  

 

SCCA long ago said lets not use common sense and logic (the policy disallowing evaluation of performance advantage) and it has been a f'd up mess ever since.  

 

this is sooo stupid!

 

Yes, yes it is.  It is very irritating to have to re-prove my point to discuss the larger problem here, tech playing "gotchya".  That has ruined the scca  club in the midwest.  Period.  

 

3 total SM at the last majors, all out of state, and not a single local participant.  Can SCCA understand that?  No one is willing to travel across country to the runoffs to be told by tech (wrongly) that the original throttle body had 2 gaskets, and sandblast the heat shield...  ESPECIALLY while important areas, such as ECM remains un-techable and the competitors that know whats important are out of the enforcement loop... 

 

You guys on the coasts are lucky enough to have enough people to replace those that get chased away....  here, we didn't...

[davew]

It is amazing to me, how guys not involved in the situation mentioned, get so upset. When the people directly involved just smiled and continued.

 

A while back it was painted intakes. How could you tell a paint from a heat coating. We determined that painted intake are a bad idea. Too easy to produce a non-allowed effect from an allowed operation. My opinion is John just took the process to the other side of the engine. Since none of us can use the exact same formulation as Mazda did from the factory, lets just agree that nothing except what the factory applied is legal. If you can duplicate the factory finish, then have at it. But if it is Black or red or polka dotted, take it off. It ain't worth the discussion.

 

The VIN code is to set a procedure for what VIN code is the official one. Especially when a used door is installed, or a black dash is substituded from a tan one, as many of us do. Yes it is possible to cut the firewall and transfer the VIN from car A to car B. But how often does that happen. Now we know to make sure the firewall matches the logbook and matches the year of the car as raced. It also means we don't worry about changing dash pads, or doors, or having a dash pad with a missing VIN.

 

No body was sent home, or DQed or penalized in any way. One heat shield was sandblasted and the other was cleaned with a wire brush. You can not ask for more stringent tech and then complain because of a minor inconvenience. Especially when it did not happen to you.

 

We had 30+ at Blackhawk and almost 60 at Mid Ohio. Both events had the CCC present. KW, maybe your areas lack of attendance has nothing to do with tech. Not saying what the issue is, but I don't think it is tech related.

 

Dave

[Bench Racer]

Rich, I had a response to your post #21 ready to post when Dave posted. Read Dave's post and nothing more needs to be said.

[FTodaro]

You just need to get your self a heat shield that is old and a bit rusted on the outside. Paint the under/inside with a thermal paint and you will be good to go, Looks original and performs well. Bench can do some thermal testing of ambient temps, and under the hood temps at different tracks and post the results.  Jason can then make a chart of it.

[Bench Racer]

Bench can do some thermal testing of ambient temps, and under the hood temps at different tracks and post the results. 

As them boys down Texas way say, ya-all wanted tougher tech and ya-all got tougher tech and a CCC to go with it. Live with it, ya-all asked fer it, now quit yer    

[Tom Hampton]

First....it's spelled y'all.

Second, we have ways of dealing with rogue sheriffs in the wild west.

Third, we don't need no tech...we know how to deal with our own. If you get the nudge, and the mumbled, "you better knock that shit off," you know its time to pull it back. See item #2, works for rogue competitors, too.

[Jim Drago]

First....it's spelled y'all.

Second, we have ways of dealing with rogue sheriffs in the wild west.

Third, we don't need no tech...we know how to deal with our own. If you get the nudge, and the mumbled, "you better knock that shit off," you know its time to pull it back. See item #2, works for rogue competitors, too.

 

This works for me as well

[Bench Racer]

Hey, y'all Tom, how about you fill in the blanks on this which was posted in the June Sprints thread.

 

Entry below listed under Spec Miata (EDIT, for the 2016 June Sprints).

 

5    Long, Glenn    Spec Miata 2016     2016 Mazda MX-5 Mazda    Statesville, NC

[Tom Hampton]

Hey, y'all Tom, how about you fill in the blanks on this which was posted in the June Sprints thread.
 
Entry below listed under Spec Miata.
 
5    Long, Glenn    Spec Miata 2016     2016 Mazda MX-5 Mazda    Statesville, NC

I have no idea:

 

1.  What that means.

2.  Why you are asking ME.

3.  How this relates to the topic in this thread.

[Bench Racer]

I have no idea:

 

1.  What that means.

2.  Why you are asking ME.

3.  How this relates to the topic in this thread.

IMHJ, your smack talking in this thread (your post #26) and the info (2016 Miata MX5 is entered as a Spec Miata for the 2016 June Sprints) is posted in thread 61st June Sprints-Smack Talk therefore the question seemed like a natural fit for you to answer.  

[Danny Steyn]

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[Tom Hampton]

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I chose to stop feeding the animal.

[Jim Drago]

I chose to stop feeding the animal.

its like an addiction... I try, but sometimes I cant help myself.. but this last one baffles even me

[Bench Racer]

SM   41 entries

#

Name

Class

Year

Make

Sponsor

Hometown

148   Alexander, Lee Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Factory48 Springfield, TN
138   Andersen, Stephanie Spec Miata   1994 Mazda Miata isellmiataparts.com / Winding Road Racing / PinUpsForPitbulls.com / Mueller Motorwerks Racine, WI
34   Bernacki, Thomas Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Med-Stop, Zipprich Machinery Movers, DPR Art Rescue, Quality Mobile Truck Repair Chicago, IL
29   Berry, T Craig Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Berry Marble and Granite/EAST STEET RACING/Granite Remnant Store Tyler, TX
51   Bilicki, Josh Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Trim-Tex / Hoosier / Dark Horse Pros Richfield, WI
61   Brock, Skip Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata OPM Autosports, Nelson Engines Birmingham, AL
55   Cahall, Robert Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Cahall / Meathead Racing Mundelien, IL
80   Cahall, Theodore Spec Miata    1999 Mazda Miata Cahall / Meathead Racing Chanhassen, MN
31   Casey Jr., Britt Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Clothing Shop Online, Dent Recon, EMCO Gears, Keeley Construction Barrington, IL 
02   Clos Jr, George Spec Miata    2003 Mazda Miata  Roselle, IL 
136   Cochran, Thomas Spec Miata    Mazda Miata flying octogenarians  Far Hills, NJ 
16   Davis, Jonathan Spec Miata   2000 Mazda Miata Rossini Racing Products Seven Hills, OH
2   Drago, Jim Spec Miata    2000 Mazda Miata East Street Racing Memphis, TN
19   Elder, Justin Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata SunDrop Citrus Soda Lakeville, MN
11   Gagliardo, Michael Spec Miata   2002 Mazda Mazda Miata Baci Racing/ EJ's Place Chicago, IL
172   Garner, Robert Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Advanced Autosports Homer Glen, IL
131   Giesen, Chris Spec Miata   1991 Mazda miata Giesen Motorsports Thiensville, WI
09   Hoch, Stephen Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Advanced Autosports Whitefish Bay, WI
66   Holton, Paul Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata OPM/Compass360 Racing Tallahassee, FL
48   Iwata, John Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Advanced Autosports / Cindy Iwata Oshkosh, WI
05   Knuteson, Jason Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Black Dog Racing, Stewart Racing Danville, IN
22   Kwiecinski, Paul Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Spec Miata  Northbrook, Il
84   Lamb, Todd Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Atlanta Speedwerks/East Street/AiM/Speedshift Atlanta, GA
82   Martin, Thomas Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata WindingRoadRacing.com Austin, TX
64   Martin, Thomas Spec Miata   1990 Mazda Miata Winding Road Racing Redondo Beach, CA
27   Nufer, Max Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata NRE- Nufer Race Engineering/East Street Racing Glencoe, MO 
79   Patterson, Spencer Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata  Pittsburgh, PA
194   Pecore, Evan Spec Miata   1994 Mazda Miata Diversion Motors LLC Manitowoc, WI 
67   Piekarski, Nic Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Ti-Speed - Lake Auto Glass - Piekarski Motorsports Sheboygan Falls, WI
12   Pogorzelski, Roger Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Niles Dental Center Mount Prospect, IL
13   Raymond, John Spec Miata    Mazda Miata Advanced Autosports Shorewood, IL
92   Schwiesow, Tyson Spec Miata   1999 Mazda miata Tower Clock Eye Center Advanced Autosports Green Bay, WI
97   Stearns, Erik Spec Miata   2000 Mazda Mazda East Street Racing, Ed's 24 Hour Service, Dick's Auto Salvage Van Buren, OH
39   Steyn, Danny Spec Miata    1999 Mazda Miata ADEPT / ROSSINI / OPM / G-LOC / TRAQMATE / TRAQGEAR Fort Lauderdale, FL
111   Summerville, Randy Spec Miata    Mazda Miata ARCC Chicago, IL
4   Talbot, Karim Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Petfinder.com/Interconex, Inc./Dean's Autobody/Advanced Autosport, Vandelay Industries Carpentersville, IL
137   Thompson, Blake Spec Miata   1990 Mazda Miata ISellMiataParts.com Racine, Wi
93   Van Bendegom, Jeff Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Van Family Racing Middleton, WI
68   Van Buren, Jeff Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata  Caledonia, WI
 

99   Webb, Kyle M. Spec Miata   1999 Mazda Miata Nova Brown not forgotten, ATL-Speedwerks, East Street Racing Centerville, OH
 

5   Long, Glenn Spec Miata 2016   2016 Mazda MX-5 Mazda Statesville, NC

 

Class Totals: Spec Miata: 40, Spec Miata 2016: 1

 

​No one told the animal the SCCA had a Spec Miata 2016 class.

[Jim Drago]

 

 

​No one told the animal the SCCA had a Spec Miata 2016 class.

 

 

No one told us either..., I dont really care.. bring it out and we will race it  Not sure what that has to do with tech...

 

My "guess" is that one of the cars will pace the field again? Maybe it is in Sm trim and going to run during our race or session to guage how it compares? 

[Bench Racer]

No one told us either..., I dont really care.. bring it out and we will race it  

 

Not sure what that has to do with tech...

 

My "guess" is that one of the cars will pace the field again? Maybe it is in Sm trim and going to run during our race or session to guage how it compares? 

Gee, the animal could also care less, as long as there is no impact on SM field sizes.

 

Tangent from June Sprints Smack thread for the guy in this thread whom has all the answers to respond to. Not you.

 

My guess/presumption was same process as used in SRF Gen3 versus SRF or your guess.

[Jim Drago]

Gee, the animal could also care less, as long as there is no impact on SM field sizes.

 

Tangent from June Sprints Smack thread for the guy in this thread whom has all the answers to respond to. Not you.

 

My guess/presumption was same process as used in SRF Gen3 versus SRF or your guess.

Why dont we just wait a few days and see what happens   If Glen is driving.. We will be Ok

[Bench Racer]

Why dont we just wait a few days and see what happens

 

If Glen is driving.. We will be Ok

Yes, on a few days, about Thursday.

 

Second point   With no disrespect to Glen, as you know some guys are larger bodied.