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 Is there any organization in the Midwest running SSM or the Heritage Cars ?

 

 I asked SVRA and they stated that they're only running the Mazda Heritage cars at the 6 specific Mazda of America supported events

 

I called Mazda Motorsports and they said there isn't a decision at this time if they're going to continue the " Heritage Series " for the 2019 season

 

I e-mailed the Chicago Region SCCA with no reply

 

I e-mailed the Milwaukee Region SCCA, they requested a rule set and participation numbers, I sent the info from the SCCA NE and DC Regions. They may consider it

 

I've brought it up, more than once, to Midwestern Council who were not enthusiastic about the prospect of the Mazda Heritage cars running in their Vintage Group

 

I asked Dave Wheeler for help with this idea in the Midwest, however, Mr. Wheeler has recently, passed away

 

I'd guess the Heritage cars would be a good fit for a Vintage Group. Is anyone aware of a race organization allowing the Heritage cars or SSM ?

 

  Planning my 2019 season

 

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Northeast runs SM2, that's SM without NB cars. same the Heritage cup.

Southeast runs SMSE, but that's limited to 1.6 cars.



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HSR will allow the NA cars to run in Group 8, I recall.  Up in the Chicago area that would include The Hawk at Road America.  The Heritage Cup also runs at RA and Mid Ohio in June with SVRA. 



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Mazda of North America just told me they are undecided if they're supporting the heritage Cup in 2019



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HSR's classing structure looks like what I'd have in mind

 

The hard part  -  they appear to only be in the East  -  a 2500 - 3000 mi. tow doesn't, exactly, " set me on fire "

 

An HSR format in the Midwest would be perfect !  



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The SVRA 19 schedule has the Heritage Cup listed on its website. Sure hope Mazda supports it again. It was a great value, good fun and decent fields. I did two of their events last year, both in the southeast. Left my rig in Atlanta for the 6 weeks between races.

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Lots of comments regarding Mazda's support/non-support in 2019. Is there any wavering from SVRA to change their program plans, either in 2019 or going forward? 

 

This may sound like a shameless plug, and my apologies. It's only being thrown up as an option. I have no sin in the game here, other than to increase the competitive pool of 1.6s in a good arena.

 

I took the car to VDCA event at Roebling Road in December, as much to get a shakedown on a new car as to get a little winter butt time in the car. It ran with several other "proper vintage" cars, but there were five SM6's in the group. Great fun, but they treat it as ITA more than SM, so no SM7 tires are allowed. I borrowed a set, and got over it. I reached out to VDCA's Mike Jackson this afternoon, and got the following:

 

"VDCA has, and will continue to welcome entrants with Gen 1 Miatas (Their initial focus is only the 1.6, but that could change - grj).  Like most of the others, there is no contingency from Mazda, consequently entrants will be paying the same entry fee as every other class.  Our only significantly different rule from SVRA is that we insist on all cars running on treaded tires.  SM7s tires with the circumferential grooves are not allowed.  While we are happy to give you a thumbs up/down on any tire you wish to ask about you can be your own first filter by asking yourself the question "does that look like a treaded tire?"  As many of you may know, what we now call Spec Miata started as an Improved Touring class in SCCA with the same tire rules that remain today with every other IT class." - Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director VDCA@earthlink.net

 

It's still Southeast operation, but there are a lot of track similarities, and good value for the amount of track time. Get those 1.6s out of the garage!!



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Checked the schedule at SVRA...

https://svra.com/events/

 

Roebling Road Raceway - Bloomingdale, GA

"This event launches the 2019 Mazda Miata Heritage Cup series for first generation 1.6 & 1.8 Mazda Miatas."

 

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Looking at the RRR SVRA Sprint races and the Heritage cup are both $350.00. At Road America the SVRA Sprint member is $595.00, non-member $675.00 and Heritage Cup is $350.00. Didn't look at track time for either. 


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I don't get the point in taking an SM to vintage. It's a Miata, not a collector race car. 


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I don't get the point in taking an SM to vintage. It's a Miata, not a collector race car. 

IIRC from last years SVRA Heritage Cup at Road America:

Point A. Thursday test day, Fri., Sat., Sun for approx. half the cost of SVRA Sprint races. Several session test day, 2 Qualifying sessions and 2 races for approx. $350.00

Point B. SM race group

Point C. When one can race with the top 5 from that weekend, one is doing quite well.

 

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More to the point of his question, vintage racing isn’t just about rare over-priced toys of the rich and foolish. Those may be what draw spectators to the bigger events but obviously any race car of a certain age can be vintage if not “historic” (and by HSR rules a car can be historic but not yet “vintage”). And even outside spec classes the Miata has had enough success to be noteworthy.

Even more to the point, an irresistible source of fresh blood and entry fees.
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i mean we have SM2 or SSM or maybe both in central division, but i have not seen many folks run it. i have yet to find an actual central division, divisional class rule book though that details all available classes, but thats a pet project ... 


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If SVRA wants a full field of Miata's (and a great show) they should run a SM multi class, SM, SSM, soup to nuts...no ITA.

But then again, whats so hard to go back to SM config?

 

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I can see the entry fee advantage, but not much past that. Are people really that afraid of bump drafting? It's one of the best parts of racing an SM.

 

I guess having an SM field would be more interesting than the typical rolling car show at the vintage "races".


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I mean, who doesn't enjoy the thrill of replacing fenders and suspension parts, the sweet smell of bondo and autobody paint, and the fresh start of a re-tub?

 

Why would anyone want to do no-contact racing?


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I mean, who doesn't enjoy the thrill of replacing fenders and suspension parts, the sweet smell of bondo and autobody paint, and the fresh start of a re-tub?

 

Why would anyone want to do no-contact racing?

 

I guess my point was "no-contact" SM racing is an oxy moron. :) There is a special place in my heart for the thrill of buying 1 gallon cans of bondo as well.


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No contact SM racing is the BEST kind of SM racing. Playing bumper cars doesn't take any particular skill. Racing hard without crashing each other's shit does take skill.

SVRA visits RA. Give it a try. I bet you'll have fun.
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No contact SM racing is the BEST kind of SM racing. Playing bumper cars doesn't take any particular skill. Racing hard without crashing each other's shit does take skill.

 

The ability to make contact results in some of the closest racing. Open wheel have to give each other more space. Still I agree that when contact is avoided while being close it is the best racing. Moto GP, and Sprint Car both have great racing with very little contact.






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