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[Jim Drago]

Can everyone go to NASA so I can win the runoffs please and thank you!

You will have a hard enough time beating your Autotecknik team mates

[Bench Racer]

Interesting driver in primarily majors, Jesse Prather.

[Jim Drago]

Interesting driver in primarily majors, Jesse Prather.

there are a couple non sm guys voting in there it looks like

[Blake Clements]

there are a couple non sm guys voting in there it looks like

You mean like David Dewhurst?

[Caveman-kwebb99]

You mean like David Dewhurst?

Why so mean??? He owns an sm isn't that enough???

Not sure what we would do without hearing the same old argument on daily basis. A parity a day keeps the doctor away

[Bench Racer]

Blake, back your 

 

 

 

 

Kyle, a comment from your signature. "2015 Winner BlackHawk Majors crash fest", was the crash fest, the track, the cars or what's between the ears of the drivers???

 

And to your reference of equality, you have not reading posted by me since the proposed bones were presented. The proof will be if there is any 99 plus bitching about the NA 1.6 capability during year 2016.

[Jim Drago]

And to your reference of equality, you have not reading posted by me since the proposed bones were presented. The proof will be if there is any 99 plus bitching about the NA 1.6 capability during year 2016.

actually the proof will be when people agree they are getting beat on talent and prep, not the rules.. Lets face it, that will NEVER happen. AAANNNND yet another thread back to parity

[FTodaro]

actually the proof will be when people agree they are getting beat on talent and prep, not the rules.. Lets face it, that will NEVER happen. AAANNNND yet another thread back to parity

David has a persistent Talent does he not?

 

To bad we can't find a way to put it to some good.

[Bench Racer]

Hey, youse are da wons using da word.

[wheel]

spell checker must have changed your post.  After all, it is the "woid" not the word.

[Danica Davison]

I know it would probably never happen but I wish the runoffs were set up like the NASA champs.  too many cars to shorten it to four days but if you leave it as a whole week:

 

Day 1:Qual

Day 2:Qual

Day 3:Qualifying race

Day 4:Qualifying race

Day 5: National championship race

 

More racing, less qualifying.  You have to be good every session to have a good starting position.   And, I think everyone likes to race more than qualify.  Just my thoughts.

[James York]

I know it would probably never happen but I wish the runoffs were set up like the NASA champs.  too many cars to shorten it to four days but if you leave it as a whole week:

 

Day 1:Qual

Day 2:Qual

Day 3:Qualifying race

Day 4:Qualifying race

Day 5: National championship race

 

More racing, less qualifying.  You have to be good every session to have a good starting position.   And, I think everyone likes to race more than qualify.  Just my thoughts.

You have to remember, the SCCA has like 24 classes to hold championship races.  I think they can get the grouping to 18, but that is 3 full days of just races.

[Bench Racer]

You have to remember, the SCCA has like 24 classes to hold championship races.  I think they can get the grouping to 18, but that is 3 full days of just races.

Three full days of racing has been the actual case for years.

[Tom Sager]

I know it would probably never happen but I wish the runoffs were set up like the NASA champs.  too many cars to shorten it to four days but if you leave it as a whole week:

 

Day 1:Qual

Day 2:Qual

Day 3:Qualifying race

Day 4:Qualifying race

Day 5: National championship race

 

More racing, less qualifying.  You have to be good every session to have a good starting position.   And, I think everyone likes to race more than qualify.  Just my thoughts.

Agree.  If you think about it, there is more "racing" during a dual race Majors event and even many dual regionals than there is during a week to crown a National Champion.  

[Danica Davison]

James, I agree there are a lot of classes which limit the week being shortened.  But maybe some consolidation of classes into one group could be time saving and more exciting.  For example, the GT fields at Daytona were terrible.  GT1 had only four cars finish and the leader was half a lap ahead of 2nd place.  GT2 had 22 which is pretty decent, and GT3 only had nine finishers.  Combine those cars into one group and we eliminate 2 run groups, and make it more exciting with 35 cars similar to Trans am multi class racing which could make that race very fun to watch. 

 

T1 had 12 cars

T2 had 19

T3 had 5

 

Two more classes down

 

All theoretical, but it could work.

[James York]

James, I agree there are a lot of classes which limit the week being shortened.  But maybe some consolidation of classes into one group could be time saving and more exciting.  For example, the GT fields at Daytona were terrible.  GT1 had only four cars finish and the leader was half a lap ahead of 2nd place.  GT2 had 22 which is pretty decent, and GT3 only had nine finishers.  Combine those cars into one group and we eliminate 2 run groups, and make it more exciting with 35 cars similar to Trans am multi class racing which could make that race very fun to watch. 

 

T1 had 12 cars

T2 had 19

T3 had 5

 

Two more classes down

 

All theoretical, but it could work.

I am sure you could data mine all the past runoffs entries for past years and locations to see if you could come up with an idea.  I think you can still find that info on the SCCA website.

[Jim Drago]

James, I agree there are a lot of classes which limit the week being shortened.  But maybe some consolidation of classes into one group could be time saving and more exciting.  For example, the GT fields at Daytona were terrible.  GT1 had only four cars finish and the leader was half a lap ahead of 2nd place.  GT2 had 22 which is pretty decent, and GT3 only had nine finishers.  Combine those cars into one group and we eliminate 2 run groups, and make it more exciting with 35 cars similar to Trans am multi class racing which could make that race very fun to watch. 

 

T1 had 12 cars

T2 had 19

T3 had 5

 

Two more classes down

 

All theoretical, but it could work.

 

Much like the frustration you deal with at registration.. The Runoffs schedule is even more of a challenge IMO than what you deal with in registration. The CRB has fooled with this schedule and tried to limit, combine etc since as long as I can remember. it is all great until it effects "you" or "your" class is always the problem we faced. I agree from the outside in this looks very doable, but in reality it gets to be very complicated. Until the club cuts down on the number of classes we have, it will be very tough.  many a cant race with b, b cant race with C, D is on slicks and f is on radials.. G has wings, H doesnt.   "I" is way too fast to run with "J"..  "K" and "L" run similar lap times but make the time so differently that it will ruin each others races.  And twenty other potential pit falls

[Mike Collins]

Much like the frustration you deal with at registration.. The Runoffs schedule is even more of a challenge IMO than what you deal with in registration. The CRB has fooled with this schedule and tried to limit, combine etc since as long as I can remember. it is all great until it effects "you" or "your" class is always the problem we faced. I agree from the outside in this looks very doable, but in reality it gets to be very complicated. Until the club cuts down on the number of classes we have, it will be very tough.  many a cant race with b, b cant race with C, D is on slicks and f is on radials.. G has wings, H doesnt.   "I" is way too fast to run with "J"..  "K" and "L" run similar lap times but make the time so differently that it will ruin each others races.  And twenty other potential pit falls

 

It really just boils down to lack of effective leadership and backbone.  There are many scenarios that work, just nobody willing to take a stand... The SCCA has lost focus of what they do (did) well and now in an effort accommodate some they fail everyone.

[MPR22]

It really just boils down to lack of effective leadership and backbone.  There are many scenarios that work, just nobody willing to take a stand... The SCCA has lost focus of what they do (did) well and now in an effort accommodate some they fail everyone.

sounds like the current political system on both sides of the isle. 

[Jim Drago]

It really just boils down to lack of effective leadership and backbone.  There are many scenarios that work, just nobody willing to take a stand... The SCCA has lost focus of what they do (did) well and now in an effort accommodate some they fail everyone.

Correct! Many good plans have been put out before. While I was on the CRB, the bod asked us to cut classes by the rules.  When it came time to start cutting classes, we again asked the BOD if they were sure that this is the direction they wanted us to go.. We were assured at the Runoffs, we were told to cut classes, After being assured by the BOD before the Runoffs that they were on board. The CRB made the announcement at the tent meeting. You can imagine how that went when we told a group of racers that their class was going away. the next day the BOD rescinded the plan