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[Bench Racer]

Only in terms of tech.

 

We agree.

[Cnj]

What an interesting week for SM racing in NASA. In the biggest (prize money) SM race in history, $85,000 is reallocated by NASA via tech shed DQ.

Per NASA published statements, the DQ’s are based on the argument that the CV units exceeded OEM and remanufactured specifications. No such specifications are listed, nor is the source of such specifications referenced. Presumably NASA technical staff used their technical judgement to make their determination.

So:

- Jim (and hence his driver Todd) admits to modifying the CV’s. Todd loses $10,000 (?) and Jim and team state they will cease racing NASA because he feels the process was flawed.
- Chris, who is both builder and driver, claims he made no modifications at all and used reman parts. Chris loses $75,000 (?) and remains mum on his plans for future racing with NASA. But he expresses his, ahh..., considerable frustration with the process. (I can guess his future NASA racing plans....)
- After many pages of technical discussion, no evidence is available to show that the real or claimed modifications actually gave Chris and Todd (and others) any more advantage in the race than Chris eating burritos that morning and Todd polishing his helmet before the race.
- SCCA figures out that this is a cluster and quickly makes it a non issue for Sonoma. The group that normally looks slow and ponderous suddenly reflects agility.

Interesting week.

CNJ

[tburas56]

Why has no one asked for Dyno numbers?

Mine was 119 hp after the race.

 

What was P1 or P3?

 

NASA was granted permission to release

[chris haldeman]

Mine was 121 after qual

[Danica Davison]

I reallllly hope they release the dyno numbers

[Dave D.]

What brand dyno did they use? Those numbers look low for Dynojet...

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Why has no one asked for Dyno numbers?

Mine was 119 hp after the race.

 

What was P1 or P3?

 

NASA was granted permission to release

 

you really had 117 with legal axles LOL

[38bfast]

you really had 117 with legal axles LOL

114 per internet experts. 

[Jim Drago]

What brand dyno did they use? Those numbers look low for Dynojet...

They used a dynojet. The numbers were low and somewhat random IMO. They were doing something where they were trying to match Rpms holding the engine and setting dyno? Not sure why they were doing this. My car according to my sheet bounced the rev limiter at 6200 on their sheet? I didn't feel like wasting the time calculating the ifs' or how much it changes Hp. My car and Todds are about 1.5-2 of each other typically and were 8 off each other there.  Many cars  were not run to the rev limiter, not sure why. ( the dyno was 150 ft from my paddock, so we saw and heard them all.  Again, why go through all of this "tech" and then not do it right? Each car should have had a real rpm input and a:f trace. There are many ways to do this easily, correctly and in a timely manner. 

[SpecMiataManDrama]

Why has no one asked for Dyno numbers?
Mine was 119 hp after the race.
 
What was P1 or P3?
 
NASA was granted permission to release

 

Why haven't the dyno results been posted yet? Does anybody know why? 

[Tom Hampton]

Why haven't the dyno results been posted yet? Does anybody know why?

Maybe they don't support NASAs (Mueller's) expert claims.

[SpecMiataManDrama]

Maybe they don't support NASAs (Mueller's) expert claims.

 

Mueller? Never heard of her.

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you mean 

 

 

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[powerss]

Mueller? Never heard of her.

 

From the FBI? Isn't he(her) investigating Russian election interference too?

[Jim Drago]

Well it's clear now.. They definitely don't want me there  

IMO the track owes me, Nasa owes me one hmmm ... 

 

 

https://www.nasapror...orts_car_course

[Jamz14]

Maybe they don't support NASAs Mueller's) expert claims.

Maybe, but they don't support engine builder claims either.

[Steve Scheifler]

At-track dyno testing is one of the things NASA is supposed to be good at. I’ve never been a fan of the idea because there are so many holes in it for determined cheaters to drive through, but that’s another debate. In this case it sounds like there were technical issues which left the results entirely unreliable for SM purposes so there is little point in publishing them.

[Jim Drago]

At-track dyno testing is one of the things NASA is supposed to be good at. I’ve never been a fan of the idea because there are so many holes in it for determined cheaters to drive through, but that’s another debate. In this case it sounds like there were technical issues which left the results entirely unreliable for SM purposes so there is little point in publishing them.

My results Friday were from memory 127/128 and for the conspiracy theorists that was after sessions that did not matter whatsoever..  I was 123 after the race when I would have wanted the 127/128.  I didn't lose 4-5 hp as the car dynos exactly as it left here and I didnt have the reported 6 HP on the field. No offense to anyone in that field, but if I had 6hp on the front runners, they would never seen me, PERIOD (or any top 10 driver with that advantage, not just me) 

[Jim Drago]

FWIW, Xavier called me this am and we had a very good conversation. It was much appreciated. I will keep the conversation private, but perspectives and opinions were shared in both directions.  He is interested in improving the tech process and that has to be respected.  Much respect for reaching out and making the call. 

[Tom Hampton]

Maybe, but they don't support engine builder claims either.

1. Exactly which claims would those be?
2. How would YOU know?