as a hoosier user who has never run the toyo, i have always suspected the whole "toyos go 15+ cycles without drop off" smelled of being a fib.
Who's fibbing? No front runner ever told you this...but those drivers 2-3+ seconds off the pace will/can run these tires competitive in their own part of the pack past 15 cycles! I will give you credit for admitting that you have zero experience with the TOYO!
Hey guys. FYI, the SMT class in SFR is considering moving from the RR to the Maxxis Victra RC-1. $652 shipped. It is at least as fast as the RR through two races. There are some downsides: It has a lot more rubber so shaving will be an advantage, I suspect. The guys behind it want to ban shaving but, shave and one heat cycle probably looks like a used tire. They are continuing to informally test them. The main complaint with the RR is the cost and they won't last a weekend in two groups (8 cycles) at the front. The Maxxis also has stiffer sidewalls but since I haven't driven them yet, I don't know what that is going to do. Be interested in hearing opinions on why this would be a bad idea. We are probably going to have virtual vote in the fall.
Mr Hoff...I'm not going to tell who or what to listen to but I hope I've earned your respect over the years to appreciate my opinion! For me personally...I dont care what is decided...as long drivers keep coming out it works for me That said...here are my thoughts for OUR REGION...San Fransisco(SCCA).
1. Definition of a UNICORN...a tire that LASTS and WINS! Can we say crazy hot matrix?
2. Best of my knowledge....Maxxis are only available from Maxxis(IUhgg)?? You really want to alienate our few tire suppliers that offer track support??
3. If $$$ are the real objective then you better look at the Nitto...probably will blow Maxxis(and Toyo)out of the water! But wait...they aren't as fast
4. Rain Tire??
5. The Maxxis after 8 hard cycles in 2 classes will do no better than the RR...100%!!!
6. SSM tire???
From what I can see...this effort here is driven by people who double dip often. The 2nd class they run has an OPEN tire rule...why dont they run the tire that gives them the best chance to WIN...and save their Toyo's for SMT...which is the tire the have to run?????. Bobcat...God bless the man...ran HOOSIER A6(qual for sure)...guess what...he whooped all these guys in ITA.
I'm also not going to mention that 12 cycle RR's have beat 4 cycle RR's in this group
If I had a vote..which I dont...I'd say neh! No benefit and only confuses participation! We have Hoosier and Toyo...pick your poison! And in the Open class keep running the Maxxis until you find a better tire...then run that!! Save your Toyo's for SMT!
Lets not reinvent the wheel