263 replies to this topic

[moovn]

Yes I did, and saw you went off track more than the two Irishmen, however you still out drove them as a matter of Fact It seemed like Chip did not cross the finish line until hours later

[Matthew VanVurst]

About the video.I would rather watch paint dry than to watch you shift one gear.I am with CHEATIN CHIP! TEAR THAT SHI# DOWN!

[dstevens]

What kind of semi tractor and trailer combos? There ain't none in that picture. You sure you don't mean toters and stackers? Big difference between Volvo VN670 draggin' a 53' Featherlite racer transporter and some Renegade toters and stackers. Not that anything is wrong with a Renagade, I'd love one, but let's keep the bullshit and hype to at least a semi believable level.

For the bowels of the tubes of the Interweb this was a pretty interesting read. Are these the same guys? His name is Ernie as well http://forums.corvet...mance-fail.html

or http://ls1tech.com/f...pgrade-kit.html hows about http://www.z06vette....es-exist-25678/

[Elliott Skeer]

School now has entertainment thanks to Mazdaracers.com

[BreathlessPerformance]

Chip and Matt show. Hows that crank sensor chip? The Chip and Matt goonies are at it again. This was all about the video and you calling the car a cheater car when it was not and we just won. You asked for the video and you got it. Where are all the other videos? Why are we the only ones posting videos. By the way next time you show up to a grand am event make sure you pass tech. Get that restrictor in the car.

See you at the track Matt.

Ernie Francis
www.BreathlessPerformance.com

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Isnt this how Floridians solve their disputes

[Glenn]

Isnt this how Floridians solve their disputes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYrPTRC-wMM&feature=related

Note to self....don't EFF with that brotha!

[svvs]

I'm trying to figure out when this thread jumped the shark.

I really look forward to watching the B-spec race at NJMP. I don't even know what to expect. Will be good weather, so hopefully it will be a good representation of the cars as the rules currently stand.

Who else will be there? Watch the Pro-IT race too while you're there!

-Vick

[Glenn]

I'm trying to figure out when this thread jumped the shark.

I really look forward to watching the B-spec race at NJMP. I don't even know what to expect. Will be good weather, so hopefully it will be a good representation of the cars as the rules currently stand.

Who else will be there? Watch the Pro-IT race too while you're there!

-Vick

Vick, come by the Freedom Trailer I would like to meet you.

Glenn

[BreathlessPerformance]

Note to self....don't EFF with that brotha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKwoRVozSvA&list=PLD0BBB00DD635C8AE&index=6&feature=plpp_video

I like Kimbo...lol

But all in all we need to stay on the topic and main point of this discussion. Our car was called an illegal car by Matt because we we were fastest in practice, qualifying and won the race from 5 spots down with a 3 second lead. The video is there to prove we just flat out drove the competition and to win from 5 spots down. On the pass for the lead Todd should have gone to the outside thus forcing me into the concrete patch causing me to slip on exit and him to get traction on the outside. Instead we did it and got a massive grip and speed on exit. On the next lap you see Todd trying to hang in with us but we pull 4 car lengths driving through the toilet bowl, again better grip and off the concrete.

Its easy to blame the winning car and call it illegal. If you thought the car was so illegal then protest it, she sat for 40 min in tech with everyone going over the entire car. Even removing the intake only to get a clean bill of health.

You think I would show up to a grand Am event with an illegal car? Ask cheating Chip why he did not pass tech and forgot to put in the restrictor plate.
Lets stay on the topic Matt if you can. You have called me out on everything only to have me answer, you know where we are just show up.
Again stay focused stay on the topic and the video. You call someone a cheater then back it up.

Ernie Francis
www.BreathlessPerformance.com

Just found this:
http://www.bedbathan...CFUhl7AodanGgEg

[LarryKing]

I'm really curious, just how does one exploit a horsepower advantage in standing water?

and... If Mr. Francis is cheating as he's been twice accused why didn't anyone filed a protest post race?

[Alex Bolanos]

I'm really curious, just how does one exploit a horsepower advantage in standing water?

and... If Mr. Francis is cheating as he's been twice accused why didn't anyone filed a protest post race?

Standing water was only at the corners/brake zones, straights (homestead is 4 drag strips with some U turns) had grip.

As far as protests/tech, the race was a "Sportsman Showcase" which translates to "anyone can come/this is just for fun/lets test the relative performance of the cars/we don't really have a way to tech these things yet/lets just market this thing and put on a show"

[BreathlessPerformance]

Standing water was only at the corners/brake zones, straights (homestead is 4 drag strips with some U turns) had grip.

As far as protests/tech, the race was a "Sportsman Showcase" which translates to "anyone can come/this is just for fun/lets test the relative performance of the cars/we don't really have a way to tech these things yet/lets just market this thing and put on a show"

Sorry Alex, yes there is a way to protest. Don’t be putting down Grand Am just because you did not race there. All the manufactures, racing organizations and media point out this is the racing of the future. You can file a protest but you must put the money down as a bond and if you are found wrong and there is nothing wrong with the car you lose your money. The point again is we were at a Pro Event, won the event and car held in impound. if you felt the car was illegal put the money down and protest. The fact that they did not do that was they knew the car was stock just like it came from the dealer except for the filter, exhaust and Joe Gibbs oil and if they did protest and nothing was wrong they would be the laughing stock of Grand Am and not have an excuse to have lost. We were all slipping down the track, the point was who could find the best grip. I feel we had an advantage since we have been practicing with the car from the beginning of the year and raced the weekend before same track same conditions. We proved we knew the track and car all weekend long which took us to get the win.

Ernie Francis
www.BreathlessPerformance.com

[Alex Bolanos]

Sorry Alex, yes there is a way to protest. Don’t be putting down Grand Am just because you did not race there.

I apologize in advance for clogging your self promoting propaganda thread with facts, from the Grand AM Sportsman Showcase rules at http://204.12.108.2/...2012 SS-GCR.pdf:

"Anyone can come"

The Showcase is intended to provide a relatively low-cost way to enter the sport of road racing by providing events where non-professionals can race showroom stock automobiles (“SS”), with limited modifications, focusing on victory for that race and not a season long championship.

"This is just for fun":


4.1. Driver. Driver awards will be on a per Event basis as specified on GRAND-AM.com. Driver championship points will not be awarded in the Showcase.
4.2. Manufacturers. Manufacturers championship points will be not be awarded in the Showcase.
4.3. Team. Team championship points will not be awarded in the Showcase.

"We don't really have a way to tech these things yet"

No mention of protest procedures... just bring your shop manual!

1.7 Compliance Verification. A Shop/Service Manual or its equivalent for the specific make, model, and year of automobile is required to be in the possession of each entrant. The manual is intended to aid in identifying parts and the configuration of the car.

The point again is we were at a Pro Event, won the event and car held in impound. if you felt the car was illegal put the money down and protest.

No, again from the event rules... You did read these didn't you?


2.1. General. The Showcase is for non-professional drivers only. To compete as a driver in the Showcase you must obtain a GRAND-AM Membership in the capacity of a Showcase Driver.
2.2. Application. To secure and maintain a Showcase Driver Membership, in addition to the requirements listed in GSR 2-5.2, the applicant cannot hold a current professional competition license/membership from GRAND-AM or another GRAND-AM recognized sanctioning body.

...and if they did protest and nothing was wrong they would be the laughing stock of Grand Am and not have an excuse to have lost.

Yes, drivers and teams should definitely shy away from protesting questionable cars for fear of being ridiculed by a large professional sanctioning body....

Really?

[Protech Racing]

The Mazda 2 has the best weight per CC of the bunch. The front glass angle is also very good. The other cars are hampered by weight as all of the cars have the same tires.
The rain plays the equalizer of course, with heavy cars getting through the deep water better, but turning not as well.
The winning car was at the right place and fell off the track the least amount in the last few laps. Lucky and pretty well driven.

Maybe he needs a new PR guy??

I would hope that the tech guys have a good baseline for the simple things like cranking compression, and engine sizie.

[LarryKing]

So if it was a free-for-all who else was cheating?

[Adam Molaver]

I apologize in advance for clogging your self promoting propaganda thread with facts, from the Grand AM Sportsman Showcase rules at http://204.12.108.2/...12%20SS-GCR.pdf:

"Anyone can come"

The Showcase is intended to provide a relatively low-cost way to enter the sport of road racing by providing events where non-professionals can race showroom stock automobiles (“SS”), with limited modifications, focusing on victory for that race and not a season long championship.

"This is just for fun":


4.1. Driver. Driver awards will be on a per Event basis as specified on GRAND-AM.com. Driver championship points will not be awarded in the Showcase.
4.2. Manufacturers. Manufacturers championship points will be not be awarded in the Showcase.
4.3. Team. Team championship points will not be awarded in the Showcase.

"We don't really have a way to tech these things yet"

No mention of protest procedures... just bring your shop manual!

1.7 Compliance Verification. A Shop/Service Manual or its equivalent for the specific make, model, and year of automobile is required to be in the possession of each entrant. The manual is intended to aid in identifying parts and the configuration of the car.



No, again from the event rules... You did read these didn't you?


2.1. General. The Showcase is for non-professional drivers only. To compete as a driver in the Showcase you must obtain a GRAND-AM Membership in the capacity of a Showcase Driver.
2.2. Application. To secure and maintain a Showcase Driver Membership, in addition to the requirements listed in GSR 2-5.2, the applicant cannot hold a current professional competition license/membership from GRAND-AM or another GRAND-AM recognized sanctioning body.



Yes, drivers and teams should definitely shy away from protesting questionable cars for fear of being ridiculed by a large professional sanctioning body....

Really?

like neil degrasse tyson says, 'the facts are true, whether you believe them or not.'

thanks for the rules quote alex!

ahm

[Caveman-kwebb99]

I think there is something in the water down there in Florida? Somebody wins a race that dont really mean shit to anyone else in the world, and they go all out to HyPe the win... Anyone who casts suspicion is a poor sport... Later, flip the script and point back the other way and call ChEaTeR... Recite santioning rules that just dont exist... Call an exibition race a PrO RaCe... Characters that type in 3rd person... Every week it seems the same main story character is back at the center of the DrAmA... Outrageous claims are made as to driver abilities... Others are chastised for not practicing their hobby enough... Some of the best in class SM racers are told they do not know what kind of advantages there are to proper setup and race prep... The list could go on and on... I must mention some of the best Youtube videos are scrounged and posted (my favorite thing about florida other than the beach)

I have races some of you from Florida, some of the best drivers I have seen IMO. I would race most of you anywhere at any track and know that you race hard but race clean!

Ernie, Mazdaracers.com is not your PR site, it a forum for people to discuss their racing! I for one don't need to be told when you or your son wins a race. Post that up on your BPP site. I promise I wont tell you on here when I win one either. When young guys like Hille and Sparks, and Skeer win races they dont come on here to tell us all about it. Some of them have even given you some advice, so take it. If you and your son are that damn good, the forum members will all do the PR for you! If you guys show up with a legal car and kick my ass I will be first one to high five you. Do your talking on the track and do your discussion of racing in here, thats what the site is for.

[LarryKing]

“This is the latest Grand Am article that has been written about me. It was sent out to over 70,000 Grand Am teams and drivers nationwide:
14-Year-Old Francis Loans Dad Car for Sportsman Showcase Opener at Pro Grand Am race at Miami.
April 19, 2012
Click Below for the full article from Grand Am Pro Racing
http://www.grand-am....ies=r&cid=51169
Ernie Francis Jr.”

“Good Luck and great seeing you guys at Daytona last week end.
Ralph Giro”

“Good to see you too.
Ernie Francis Jr.”

“I'll second that; it was nice meeting you and your dad last weekend. Friendly group...!
You need to bring yourself over to the SCCA as soon as you can.
Dave S”

“I was at this race at Homestead and What a joke to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Tear that shi# down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S learn how to sandbag ”

It started out so well - A 14 y/o son was justifiably proud of his dad. First couple replies were all good. By post #5 not so much.

[Andrew Charbonneau]

I think there is something in the water down there in Florida? Somebody wins a race that dont really mean shit to anyone else in the world, and they go all out to HyPe the win... Anyone who casts suspicion is a poor sport... Later, flip the script and point back the other way and call ChEaTeR... Recite santioning rules that just dont exist... Call an exibition race a PrO RaCe... Characters that type in 3rd person... Every week it seems the same main story character is back at the center of the DrAmA... Outrageous claims are made as to driver abilities... Others are chastised for not practicing their hobby enough... Some of the best in class SM racers are told they do not know what kind of advantages there are to proper setup and race prep... The list could go on and on... I must mention some of the best Youtube videos are scrounged and posted (my favorite thing about florida other than the beach)

I have races some of you from Florida, some of the best drivers I have seen IMO. I would race most of you anywhere at any track and know that you race hard but race clean!

Ernie, Mazdaracers.com is not your PR site, it a forum for people to discuss their racing! I for one don't need to be told when you or your son wins a race. Post that up on your BPP site. I promise I wont tell you on here when I win one either. When young guys like Hille and Sparks, and Skeer win races they dont come on here to tell us all about it. Some of them have even given you some advice, so take it. If you and your son are that damn good, the forum members will all do the PR for you! If you guys show up with a legal car and kick my ass I will be first one to high five you. Do your talking on the track and do your discussion of racing in here, thats what the site is for.[ Im still laughing at this one]