S...What year in this cycle do you think we are in now?????
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S...What year in this cycle do you think we are in now?????
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Alex Bolanos - #57
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I have not been to an SCCA runnoff so I don't know but if it really will cost 10- 12,000 that is a huge dent in the wallet. I would really have to think on that.
Alex Bolanos - #57
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I have not been to an SCCA runnoff so I don't know but if it really will cost 10- 12,000 that is a huge dent in the wallet. I would really have to think on that.
The only way to get to that number is if you are a business owner, shut the door for a week, and add that to the cost of the event....
My math tells me ~$5k all in, what's the math breakdown on $10k+?
A racer in San Diego:
4200mile tow: at $0.75/ mi $3150
Late-ish Registraion: $700
Two test days: $900
Tires 4 sets: $2800
Brake pads: $200
5 hours on $7K engine that lasts 50 hours: $700
dyno time $300
hotel 12 nights: $1000
body damage or pre race appearance improvement: $500
I think that's about $10K. And that's without any special build or expert setup help or other expert services.
Now, let's say this hypothetical racer is an engineer for a smallish company and makes $50K a year after taxes. He takes 2 weeks off for this (his whole year's vacation). That's $2K more in vacation and the lost opportunity of any other vacation that year (which f*ing blows).
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I have not been to an SCCA runnoff so I don't know but if it really will cost 10- 12,000 that is a huge dent in the wallet. I would really have to think on that.
James York
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2003 Spec Miata
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Here was roughly what I spent leading up to and attending the 2010 Runoffs.
New JD Engine: $5000 (let's just round here; at minimum you will want to have a fresh head so your cost may vary)
Tires 4 sets: $2800
2 Test days: $1000
Pre-work prep: $1000 (tune, engine install, pads, hubs, etc)
Roundtrip fuel: $1200
Shared trackside support: $700 (set-up guru, fix-it man, tech teardown dude)
My rig has living quarters so I saved the cost of eating out and hotel for the 10 days I was there. And my father is retired and likes to come along saving a bit more in expenses (he buys beer, yeah!)
So you can see I spent about $12k to specifically attend that event, at minimum, with just a fresh head, maybe I could do a Runoffs for $8K.
For people that really want bad news, keep all your reciepts from anything racing related (yes beer counts) and see how much we spend annually. It's scary.
I also think that the more inclusive rules to qualify for the Runoffs has reduced car counts at National races later in the season because many don't need the points and skip events that would have been necessary in the past. The whole thing needs to be spiced up a bit. How about we have an SCCA / NASA challenge race after both championship events where the top 15 of so from each event square off in the champion of champions race?
Mr Cajun Engineer, your engine isn't worthless after the event correct? I'm not sure you can expense the whole engine.
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Have you ever gotten an engine back as a box of parts?
Nope, hadn't considered that. Point still stands though. Maybe $1K for engine re-assembly?
Also, if your engine comes back in a box, chances are you've pulled down some contingency?
Blake Clements
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Mr Cajun Engineer, your engine isn't worthless after the event correct? I'm not sure you can expense the whole engine.
James York
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Stan's Auto Center, Lafayette LA
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East Street Racing, Memphis TN
2003 Spec Miata
#03
The fresh head or fresh engine is a sunk cost for a Runoffs quality program. Just like tires and pads, but you get a little more life out of a head than tires.
Alex Bolanos - #57
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Sorry pumpkin, calling BS here. These engines are not LCD screens, they can come apart and be put back together just the same. Charb's 2010 champ engine is still running strong, gaskets and go...
What the fcuk are you guys running through these engines that makes them so expendable? Jamie's longblock has TWO years on it, the head on mine is TWO years old, Charb's has at least a year on it...
Also... FOUR sets of tires?! really?
Man... I'm glad I do my own wrenching and my own math, I couldn't race at all using the numbers in this thread.
Sorry pumpkin, calling BS here. These engines are not LCD screens, they can come apart and be put back together just the same. Charb's 2010 champ engine is still running strong, gaskets and go...
What the fcuk are you guys running through these engines that makes them so expendable? Jamie's longblock has TWO years on it, the head on mine is TWO years old, Charb's has at least a year on it...
Also... FOUR sets of tires?! really?
Man... I'm glad I do my own wrenching and my own math, I couldn't race at all using the numbers in this thread.
Blake Clements
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How about we have an SCCA / NASA challenge race after both championship events where the top 15 of so from each event square off in the champion of champions race?
Blake Clements
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