115 replies to this topic

[Caesar Vielmas]

Why don't they split sm qualifying and put half the group w other groups which are way under subscribed. Just my $0.02.

[LarryKing]

Since S. F. brought money up, I'm really interested. Are all Majors entry fees going to be in the range of this event. No way I can make COTA but I'm entertaining the idea of attending the Major at MIS.

$650 is a lot for one race, actually too much, for my pay grade.

[suck fumes]

The entry fee has gone up over the years but I would sure hope that all majors this year aren't that much. They weren't last year. I hope it's just for this track only.

[Todd Lamb]

It isn't one race, it is two. Entry fee is in line with other double nationals.

[HoneyBadger - BrianW]

Most of the double nationals in this region are around $450. I'm sure it's because of the track. This price is in line with what other groups have been charging for a two day event and this is three.

[suck fumes]

Looking at the entry list... SCCA is lucky to have all the Miata guys cause Scca couldn't afford to rent a track if it weren't for our class. All the other classes have 5-10 cars then we have 85 haha. Hope they realize that.

[pmiranda]

Looking at the entry list... SCCA is lucky to have all the Miata guys cause Scca couldn't afford to rent a track if it weren't for our class. All the other classes have 5-10 cars then we have 85 haha. Hope they realize that.

SM is definitely more popular than almost all other classes, but once registration is known about by the larger community I think you'll see the numbers come up. Expect at least 60 SRFs, I'd guess 30+ FE, FV, FM, SR1s (Or whatever they're called now), and plenty of non-SM door slammers. SM guys had the inside line for the aborted registration snafu, so the numbers are a bit tilted.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

wile that may be so, the other classes will not singly sell out so they need not be in a hurry to register, unlike UHHHMMM SM. My personal membership should be no more valuable to you or your region than anyone elses no matter wehat class they race in, but facts are facts very few if any SCCA club events can survive without SM...

[Jim Drago]

Since S. F. brought money up, I'm really interested. Are all Majors entry fees going to be in the range of this event. No way I can make COTA but I'm entertaining the idea of attending the Major at MIS.

$650 is a lot for one race, actually too much, for my pay grade.

I think Sebring was 500-550

[Ron Alan]

In our region we have always had odd/even qualifying for SM...and even then its still 2-3 hr pre grid line up to get up front! And this is done with 7 run groups(we are always group 7). And if I'm not mistaken we still have a 5min pad between groups. What or who is driving the schedule at this event?

Another option that may be considered is to drop the 2nd race qual and go with fast lap time of first race for grid order of 2nd race(yes to be fair you would need a few potential situations spelled out ahead of time). Put the time back into longer races! We did this on a 2 day weekend...and this was decided by the group if I remember correctly.

One of the grips I hear from guys who cross or have run NASA is the shorter quals and races...lets not ruin one of the few upsides to running SCCA...longer races! That's not a dig on NASA btw...just pointing out a fact! Both Orgs have their strong and weak points.

[Cnj]

Since S. F. brought money up, I'm really interested. Are all Majors entry fees going to be in the range of this event. No way I can make COTA but I'm entertaining the idea of attending the Major at MIS.

$650 is a lot for one race, actually too much, for my pay grade.

I'm not in the position to say what regions are going to choose to charge for majors. However COTA track costs are a multiple of most tracks in the country and so this is driving registration costs for that one event. Other Texas event registration costs are somewhat lower.

One thing that I have noted which is problematic for the COTA weekend is the scheduling of STL in group 2 immediately after SM in group 1. There will be a decent number of SM drivers who will race both and a 5 minute gap won't get the job done. The track layout/paddock is not one which allows cars to get on and off the track, gassed back up and then back on again in grid order easily. Not to mention that allowing a break for drivers promotes safety.

I hope the officials will consider changing the schedule. Just one more thing that is concerning.

CNJ

[Caveman-kwebb99]

And if the ones in charge are smart they will have it all ironed out and announced before registration opens monday at 3 central especially after all that has transpired... I am not holding my breath.

[William Keeling]

COTA is like $70,000 for the 3 days -- I think most of the other tracks we run in the SouthWest Div are like $20K

[Jerry Cabe]

COTA is like $70,000 for the 3 days -- I think most of the other tracks we run in the SouthWest Div are like $20K

On the assumption that Bill is correct on the $70,000 for the track, and a further assumption that the region's other incidental costs for hosting a party, worker meals, registration supplies, sanctioning, insurance, ambulances and wreckers if they are not part of the track rental, etc is another $50,000, that says the expenses might be $120,000 to the region.

On the income side, if every race group is fully subscribed at 85, the income would be $386,750. Now I don't expect every race group to be fully subscribed, but let's assume it is the same car count as the first Majors at Sebring, which I believe was about 330. At that level the income would be $214,500, still resulting in good revenue to the region. Not knowing if the garages are already a part of the rental fee, there is certainly the possibility of additional income if they are part of the $70,000.

Capitalism at its best.

[Mike Asselta]

On the assumption that Bill is correct on the $70,000 for the track, and a further assumption that the region's other incidental costs for hosting a party, worker meals, registration supplies, sanctioning, insurance, ambulances and wreckers if they are not part of the track rental, etc is another $50,000, that says the expenses might be $120,000 to the region.

On the income side, if every race group is fully subscribed at 85, the income would be $386,750. Now I don't expect every race group to be fully subscribed, but let's assume it is the same car count as the first Majors at Sebring, which I believe was about 330. At that level the income would be $214,500, still resulting in good revenue to the region. Not knowing if the garages are already a part of the rental fee, there is certainly the possibility of additional income if they are part of the $70,000.

Capitalism at its best.

The Lone Star region's track costs and break-even point are much higher than you've calculated Jerry. I won't disseminate un-authorized information here, but a VERY well-subscribed race is needed, despite the registration snafu. The Lone Star is a small region and took on some big risk to make this event possible for SCCA racers.

Taking a risk in hopes of a gain...now THAT's capitalism...

[MPR22]

COTAs published rent rate per day is 50k. Not sure if they give a multi day discount or not.