136 replies to this topic

[Steve Scheifler]

MPR22, i'm not sure how much Mazda is "spending". As I recall, and someone please correct or clarify as needed, the racing arm budget is determined by their revenues. Of course the mother ship is happy for the upsides, but I think that Maza Motorsports is expected to be self-sustaining through sales of parts, perhaps a piece of the action when they sell cars to members, etc. but I don't think the factory as such is putting out a lot of cash to support amateur racing with an expectation that the public in general will notice or care.

[MPR22]

Mr. Ross, if your referencing me find your facts and post them or take a deep breath and give it a rest. Fact less post filler is just that.

You know I love you David.  You are good for the class, as you keep others honest about their facts.    I also know we see Spec Miata from a different perspective.  If you can't take the ribbing this might not be the best place to express your opinions.  If you had Pat Ross as your father you would have a very thick skin and understand all statements, opinions or otherwise, are subject to scutiny and criticism and you had better be prepared to defend your position. With the exception of me using a fictional character of the name DD, what do you see in my post that isn't realistic or fact?   

[MPR22]

MPR22, i'm not sure how much Mazda is "spending". As I recall, and someone please correct or clarify as needed, the racing arm budget is determined by their revenues. Of course the mother ship is happy for the upsides, but I think that Maza Motorsports is expected to be self-sustaining through sales of parts, perhaps a piece of the action when they sell cars to members, etc. but I don't think the factory as such is putting out a lot of cash to support amateur racing with an expectation that the public in general will notice or care.

They are not spending per se as much as they are supporting through continued production of parts that are quite honestly not needed by the non-racing community.  They sell those parts to us via the Mazdaspeed Motorsports program at a reduced rate.  They do spend thousands of advertising dollars on pro-racing via car sponsorships and television branding.  I never said that it was purely altruistic on their part, it is a business decision.  If the class suffers, do they not suffer?  

[Johnny D]

MPR22, i'm not sure how much Mazda is "spending". As I recall, and someone please correct or clarify as needed, the racing arm budget is determined by their revenues. Of course the mother ship is happy for the upsides, but I think that Maza Motorsports is expected to be self-sustaining through sales of parts, perhaps a piece of the action when they sell cars to members, etc. but I don't think the factory as such is putting out a lot of cash to support amateur racing with an expectation that the public in general will notice or care.

 

Here's this guy again.

https://www.youtube....h?v=ZWnz2yvENAY

J~

[Bench Racer]

what does mazda motorsports know about machining a cylinder head?  

  just my.02

You know the old saying, measure twice and cut once. Please read my post below a second time with reference to head manufacturing process and you'll discover the post does not say Mazda MotorSports. Nuff said.

 

 

Why, we'll have a bigger fox in the hen house.

 

Should Mazda be directly involved in defining Spec Miata rules?

 

1. Yes, but only by providing the detailed Mazda head manufacturing process information.
2. No, their motives may be pure but this is best left up to the members of the class, the SMAC and CRB.
3. I'm not sure I know enough about it to vote with confidence

 

[Steve Scheifler]

They are not spending per se as much as they are supporting through continued production of parts that are quite honestly not needed by the non-racing community. They sell those parts to us via the Mazdaspeed Motorsports program at a reduced rate. They do spend thousands of advertising dollars on pro-racing via car sponsorships and television branding. I never said that it was purely altruistic on their part, it is a business decision. If the class suffers, do they not suffer?

They stock and produce, or have produced through non-original sources, what they can sell direct to us at a profit to fund their MM endeavors. I think that's great and very much appreciate it, but I think the MM folks are enthusiasts who have worked hard to justify doing what they enjoy for a living and we get something out of that. If they suddenly folded I doubt it would even be noticed on Mazda's bottom line. Back in the day Datsun/Nissan was the model of success for such support but they eventually decided to bale and only years later was someone able to partially revive it. The Mazda Motorsports team has since dominated in their grass-roots support and they deserve all kudos. Mazda corp gets credit for allowing them to continue.

[Johnny D]

It sure would of been nice if someone said a couple years ago in one of those meetings...

 

"hey, you know, the whistle test is a lot more accurate with the valve cover off..."

 

I'm not saying it would of been the Mazda guy, but...

J~

[MPR22]

They stock and produce, or have produced through non-original sources, what they can sell direct to us at a profit to fund their MM endeavors. I think that's great and very much appreciate it, but I think the MM folks are enthusiasts who have worked hard to justify doing what they enjoy for a living and we get something out of that. If they suddenly folded I doubt it would even be noticed on Mazda's bottom line. Back in the day Datsun/Nissan was the model of success for such support but they eventually decided to bale and only years later was someone able to partially revive it. The Mazda Motorsports team has since dominated in their grass-roots support and they deserve all kudos. Mazda corp gets credit for allowing them to continue.

I was using the generic Mazda and should have been referring to the Mazda Motorsport branch.  The question was worded Mazda and i did not differentiate the two in my comments.  I suspect corporate finds some value (not nominal) in keeping the Motorsports division running, it is a lot easier to explain their brand (zoom-zoom) to the masses.  

[Steve Scheifler]

OK, understood, and agree. Except that like Datsun before them Mazda makes very little effort to explain it to the masses, or even mention it to them. 😕

[Bench Racer]

  DD would say, "that's great then we all have to buy junk yard engines and the costs go down."  

 

 DD would say, that's great now we can use aftermarket parts which are cheaper."  

On to the son of Pat Ross. Never could you find a post of mine to support your two comments above. Several years ago the site sent me on vacation for a period, don't factually remember for how long. If I remeber a few others have taken a vacation, more so from th eprevios site operator. I try very hard never to post sarcastically, really. The ol skin is pretty thick and most likely why now and then I stick it back to someone who has it coming. Did you feel the stick? 

 

Steve is all over the deal with his comment, "the racing arm budget is determined by their revenues." Some couple years ago one of the site players passed on info about how Mazda USA supports it's racing habit. Don't remember the facts, therefore will not test my memory  and pass gas.

[Johnny D]

OK, understood, and agree. Except that like Datsun before them Mazda makes very little effort to explain it to the masses, or even mention it to them.

 

2007

https://www.youtube....h?v=R_tjM8eEqUo

 

Way back in the day

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=QvyJm0eCTjs

[Keith Andrews]

I'm ok with their stated goals.  The way I read their press release, this has more to do with the way the SCCA handled the Runoff's than any specific rule.  The ruling by the SCCA was and is being handled so poorly (IMO), I can understand Mazda's interested in getting it resolved.  This has very little to do with how a head is machined in my view.  It has more to do with the fiasco the sanctioning body made of the runoffs.

 

I'm guessing SCCA National will give Mazda's point of view more weight than it should.  Who knows where that will take the class.  

[Steve Scheifler]

2007
https://www.youtube....h?v=R_tjM8eEqUo

Way back in the day
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=QvyJm0eCTjs

Yep, Datsun had theirs too after an impressive string of victories, but I rarely saw any of their racing promo stuff outside of the showrooms of those dealers who "sponsored" someone or had an enthusiast on staff. It ain't NASCAR.

[Steve Scheifler]

THIS is back in the day:

http://youtu.be/U5XAP4pCRps

[Johnny D]

Yep, Datsun had theirs too after an impressive string of victories, but I rarely saw any of their racing promo stuff outside of the showrooms of those dealers who "sponsored" someone or had an enthusiast on staff. It ain't NASCAR.

 

Do you cable TV yet?

Just kinding.

J~

[Johnny D]

THIS is back in the day:

http://youtu.be/U5XAP4pCRps

 

That's a long commercial !!!

J~

[CruzanTom]

That's a long commercial !!!

J~

 

There is a book about this season called "Chasing the Silver Carrot"

[Glenn]

Mazda has been more committed to this class than just about any of the participants.  Without their continued support the class would cease to exist or at a minimum be a shadow of its current glory.  

 

.  And for all you guys that want this class to quit evolving and be a 1.6 only class, how does that benefit the main sponsor of the class.  SM5 integrated into SM or SM5 alone is the future of the class.  Corporate America is just as responsible for the growth of SM as the participants.  

Ding Ding Ding we have a winna......Especially given the ND soon to be released.

 

The folks here NEVER thought or expected the NB cars to get integrated either...but I digress.....

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[Glenn]

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