136 replies to this topic

[Steve Scheifler]

dstevens, I don't know how many classes the roundy-rounders have where you are or how many rules per class they try to enforce, but it can't be anything remotely close to club racing. Guys I know running the dirt tracks around here talk about their 2-pages of rules, half of which is about fighting, and laugh at us.

SM is a big class and important to the clubs but they don't own tech, and can't completely take it over every race.

We'll just keep seeing the advertising a little differently I guess becsuse I still think you miss my "closed system" point.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Many thought Obama and the govt could do a great job providing health care reform, many still do... Others think its a disaster.

We don't need Mazda to fix our problem we can fix ourself.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Many thought Obama and the govt could do a great job providing health care reform, many still do... Others think its a disaster.

We don't need Mazda to fix our problem we can fix ourself.

I see two sides to this argument both sides need to come together...

So if Mazda makes decision for one side or other will that make rainbows for the class? This decision could doom the class IMO and they don't have the slightest idea how many of these heads are on cars presently racing how would they do they have a crystal ball that peers into race shops nation wide?

Let's pretend we throw 1000 heads in trash because they are illegal. What will they do to the price of cores certainly $1000+ on day one. Who can produce 1000 heads before we race the beginning of January? How can we be assured that anyone will actually throw their head away and replace? How can we enforce this rule without tear downs each weekend?

[LarryKing]

I love statistics. I make them up all the time.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

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I love statistics. I make them up all the time.[/quote

I know you do :)

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Let's just say its very possible that the only ones that will really make out if a lot of heads are deemed illegal is the same bastards that made them illegal in the first place. Don't worry about if its a grey fox or a red fox just give them a whole lot of fried chicken!

Most think those builders will be deeply hurt by deeming these heads illegal... Think again their business will most certainly have at least a short term windfall...

I know I know that is just all fiction.

Senserouly Dr. Sues

[Caveman-kwebb99]

One last bed time story...

Builders in sm have a super secret pact that nobody knows about.

They all got together at tileys house and decided that nobody should be given an illegal engine except those very few that could win a big race so that their illegal heads would be torn down.

Sounds like a ridiculous story doesn't it. But don't worry its all true little boys and girls the only illegal heads in this class are on those 8 cars we really have no real problems to solve.as they had the secret pact not to build every head they produced the same way. Bead blasted and deburred. I trust this version of the story please join me in also this deep belief.

Nighty night now.

[Glenn]

One last bed time story...

Builders in sm have a super secret pact that nobody knows about.

They all got together at tileys house and decided that nobody should be given an illegal engine except those very few that could win a big race so that their illegal heads would be torn down.

Sounds like a ridiculous story doesn't it. But don't worry its all true little boys and girls the only illegal heads in this class are on those 8 cars we really have no real problems to solve.as they had the secret pact not to build every head they produced the same way. Bead blasted and deburred. I trust this version of the story please join me in also this deep belief.

Nighty night now.

Now Kyle is channeling Andrew......

[pat slattery]

Why is it not ok for Mazda , but certainly acceptable for the big name car and engines builders to be in power positions to craft the rules?

[john mueller]

Why is it not ok for Mazda , but certainly acceptable for the big name car and engines builders to be in power positions to craft the rules?

 

Pat, dude !!  First think you said that's made sense in like 3yrs....  Welcome back!  Where you been buddy?  

[Alex Bolanos]

Why is it not ok for Mazda , but certainly acceptable for the big name car and engines builders to be in power positions to craft the rules?

 

 

Well played.

[Jim Drago]

Why is it not ok for Mazda , but certainly acceptable for the big name car and engines builders to be in power positions to craft the rules?

This is and will always be a bone of contention for many. I have no issue with Mazda having input, but don't think it is "needed". You need extremely knowledgeable of the class and cars to be involved in the rules. No one will ever know our class and cars like those who compete in it. It is a volunteer system, so you will always have people intimately involved in the class writing the rules and on the committees.
BTW, as most know, this is my last year on the CRB so you can point these to just the SMAC guys next year THE SMAC can use a few new members, if interested send your resume to CRBSCCA.COM

[Michael Novak]

I have seen both sides of this in my past racing experience. I raced ATVs in the GNCC series. The motorcycle companies came in when the sales were very strong in the 1999-2008 timeframe. Everyone cheered---they offered discounts and money and prizes.......Many of the smaller companies that had helped to keep things going when things were not so good, were put out of business. The recession happens----They all pull out....  Guess what happens next...........

 

 Mazda is in the business of selling cars first--NOT MOTORSPORTS. ALL of the Engine builders/Parts sellers are here mainly for the racers--   yes for profit too. But you can count that they will do the right thing---at least in their minds to keep things going for them and thus the racers.... I have bought 75% of my parts--used and new from East Street--Jim. He gave me setup advise more times then I can remember---even at a time when I had not spent barely anything with him. Ti-Speed-Dan--same thing maybe a engine builder but lots of time on other parts of the car. If car sales tank our class can move on, but our GREAT motor sports friends at Mazda Motorsports might not have control over their destiny from the parent company.... 

 

 

SOOOOOOOOO,.....

I welcome additional help from Mazda for our class as long as it doesn't come in takeover form. 

[FTodaro]

Jim only helped you because he felt sorry for Christen.

[Michael Novak]

Jim only helped you because he felt sorry for Christen.

I am very clear where I stand.......  I always start the conversation----We are working on Kristen's car and ...............................................   

[Matt Busby]

Ultimately, Mazda just wants whats best for the class - They, like most here want to protect what it stands for and what it means to their brand. This whole runoffs business has cast a dark shadow over the class, Im sure Mazda just wants to be a part of removing that shadow. 

 

Change is coming. Whether its good or bad is a matter of perspective but I would imagine there are some "bigger picture" conversations that have started because of this mess. 

[Ron Alan]

Ultimately, Mazda just wants whats best for the class - They, like most here want to protect what it stands for and what it means to their brand. This whole runoffs business has cast a dark shadow over the class, Im sure Mazda just wants to be a part of removing that shadow. 

 

Change is coming. Whether its good or bad is a matter of perspective but I would imagine there are some "bigger picture" conversations that have started because of this mess. 

Ding ding ding on the first comment!

 

And based on a lot of similar opinions that have been put up...when that change comes there may be a lot more gasps than applause 

[Danny Steyn]

Well the interesting thing is just this survey with its admittedly small but vocal sample size says the 76% of all Spec Mata drivers that took the time to respond says that they want Mazda involved in some capacity. A seat on the SMAC, an advisory position or merely just observer status, who knows??? But I personally hope that they follow through and create some confidence, normalcy and stability.

[Steve Scheifler]

Looked at from the other end, only 35% want their advice to "carry considerable weight". In other words, all input is welcome but control should still remain within the club and the class.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Glad at least Steve can read a statistical analysis.