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Mr. Creighton, et al, I like NASA's system - anyone, regardless of fault, must file an incident report after metal-to-metal. Then a review board comprised of officials and drivers review the reports to determine fault and assign penalties. What prevents the SCCA from instituting a similar system?

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How many folks in favor of NASA's system would be willing to put in the extra work required to make it happen in SCCA? And that means you'll be doing ALL classes, not just SM. Part of that question is how many of you that would be willing to help are currently doing one of the many duties prior and during a race weekend to pull things off? Whether it be pace car driver, stewarding, marshalling, etc? What about race chair? And remember, should SCCA go this route it'll be a nationwide deal so we are going to need a lot of peeps stepping up.
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How many folks in favor of NASA's system would be willing to put in the extra work required to make it happen in SCCA? And that means you'll be doing ALL classes, not just SM. Part of that question is how many of you that would be willing to help are currently doing one of the many duties prior and during a race weekend to pull things off? Whether it be pace car driver, stewarding, marshalling, etc? What about race chair? And remember, should SCCA go this route it'll be a nationwide deal so we are going to need a lot of peeps stepping up.


One thing to clarify, someone said that you gotta do paperwork for any metal to metal with NASA. Not true.

In NASA it doesn't count as contact unless

A. someone gets knocked off line
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B. enough cosmetic damage to make NASA tell you to fix your car

So bump drafting isn't contact, door handle to door handle swipes aren't contact, and if someone breaks your suspension and you don't lose control, that's not contact either.

Not complaining, not cheering, just clarifying.
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How many folks in favor of NASA's system would be willing to put in the extra work required to make it happen in SCCA? And that means you'll be doing ALL classes, not just SM. Part of that question is how many of you that would be willing to help are currently doing one of the many duties prior and during a race weekend to pull things off? Whether it be pace car driver, stewarding, marshalling, etc? What about race chair? And remember, should SCCA go this route it'll be a nationwide deal so we are going to need a lot of peeps stepping up.


u say it rite bro - good points all!! +1
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Well - I witnessed NASA's system first hand at Mid-O. All cars with metal-to-metal (bump-drafting or minor "no harm/no foul" contact excluded) reported to impound. 2-3 NASA tech personnel handed-out and collected accident report forms, videotaped damage and collected any other evidence. NASA judgements were swift, and in one case maybe too harsh - BUT, like I said before, at most SCCA events I see 2, 3, 4 guys sitting in tech shooting the breeze, I don't think asking them to collect damage reports/evidence is an extreme request. NASA system is not perfect, but SCCA has NO system.

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Well - I witnessed NASA's system first hand at Mid-O. All cars with metal-to-metal (bump-drafting or minor "no harm/no foul" contact excluded) reported to impound. 2-3 NASA tech personnel handed-out and collected accident report forms, videotaped damage and collected any other evidence. NASA judgements were swift, and in one case maybe too harsh - BUT, like I said before, at most SCCA events I see 2, 3, 4 guys sitting in tech shooting the breeze, I don't think asking them to collect damage reports/evidence is an extreme request. NASA system is not perfect, but SCCA has NO system.

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That happened year one at Mid Ohio. I went in 07 and many including myself were disappointed when it didn't happen again. 08 was my last year there, half the field was involved here in contact. Many received heavy damage in Stasioskis wreck including me, no papers at all. Many left that weekend very disappointed by the lack of penalties handed out. I think Tard swore NASA off for two years because of it. I would agree it worked well in 06. SCCA does have a system, you protest if you feel a driver wronged you on track. Neither is perfect, both organizations can and should do better.
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Jim, I should have clarified. I was speaking about the NASA event at Mid-O two weeks ago, utilizing NASA's new contact policy, which, at least for GreatLakes, is in effect at all events, not just the Nationals.

My frustration with the SCCA comes from being on the receiving end of contact a couple times, protesting, only to be told "it's a racing incident".

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P.S. Could someone please explain, in small words so my pea-brain comprehends, why must a bond be posted to file a right to racing room (or similar) protest?
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...why must a bond be posted to file a right to racing room (or similar) protest?

1) if free it be done all time - much waste of SOM time.
2) kill bad faith - u lose $$$ if not well-founded.
3) pay to hassle bad girls in pink cars.
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P.S. Could someone please explain, in small words so my pea-brain comprehends, why must a bond be posted to file a right to racing room (or similar) protest?


In SCCA, there is no bond required for a protest involving a driving incident. There is a nominal protest fee ($25 at a regional, $50 at a National) to serve as a 'sincerity check' to minimize frivolous protests. If the protest is upheld, the fee returned; even if the protest is denied, the fee is returned in many cases if the stewards consider the protest 'well founded' (reasonable).

A protest bond is required if expenses will be incurred during an inspection (disassembly required, third party fuel test, etc.).

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Regardless, dangerous or out-of-control driving should not require a protest for a steward to take action - in fact when I started with the SCCA 10 years ago they still made notations in log-books and drivers with metal-to-metal were called to see the CS. Somewhere along to way the SCCA stopped doing this.
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Regardless, dangerous or out-of-control driving should not require a protest for a steward to take action - in fact when I started with the SCCA 10 years ago they still made notations in log-books and drivers with metal-to-metal were called to see the CS. Somewhere along to way the SCCA stopped doing this.


So have you discussed your wishes with your division's leadership to have some changes made to make the process more to you and your fellow racers liking? What did they say?

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So have you discussed your wishes with your division's leadership to have some changes made to make the process more to you and your fellow racers liking? What did they say?


Yes.... guess what they said?

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Well I wasn't asking you! :P

I don't know, I never have had an issue working with the officials if I thought I was wronged and protested a driver. You don't get your car fixed of course, but at least the offender was DQ'd or moved back. Small consolation, but I am not sure what else can be done.

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