507 replies to this topic

[James York]

The real issue that I see is the gapping that occurs from around P6 and back. Those guys get such a run that they could easily be at or close to the front by the first corner.

Hence the throttle roll-on that will cause them to fall behind if they "drop back" as the hammer may fall as P1 has already picked up the pace.

Some tracks it is very easy to get everyone bunched up and hold a steady pace after the pace car pulls in... TMS for example.

[Bench Racer]

Take a look at the start of the race in my in car video and note where we all go flat - we cannot even see the tower from there

Then take a look at the speedcastTV video, and listen to the commentator call the green flag and see where we are on the straight - we had been flat for a long long time.

Road America is just a track that if you dont do it, you will get creamed.

This may be outside the scope of SCCA/Road America thinking but maybe at Road America we need a primarmy start stand at the bridge on the hill previous to the normal stand (ala Mid Ohio starts on the back straight & not the normal stand) so that the starter may see the entire field. Blue sky, the bridge may not be far enough from T14 for a 100 car field but ya get the point.

[davew]

Lots of talk about moving the start line following the FUBAR at the vintage race. As you can tell, nothing was done. Even after a couple million $$ worth of cars destroyed

Dave

[HoneyBadger - BrianW]

Hence the throttle roll-on that will cause them to fall behind if they "drop back" as the hammer may fall as P1 has already picked up the pace.

Yep understood. I view it as the driver behind the laggers to "make" them pick up the pace. I figure you either speed up and close the gap or I will keep bumping you until I remove your rear bumper.

[JRagaglia]

Just to add my 2 cents in on the start issue. (ie pole cars must maintain established speed set by the pace car).
I am the pace car driver for CFR and have been for a number of years and that has always been the case. However, I was the pace car driver for the SM race at the ruoffs. I purposely started you slow as I was trying to get all bunched up. As soon as I pulled off into pit lane, the front row picked up speed gradually. I later made a comment to a friend who is the Area 3 director and he informed me that national had dropped that rule from the GCR. That was the first I had heard about it. If that is the case, then no one did anything wrong. Just my 2 cents. Carry on.

Jack

[Mike Collins]

E. If a pace car is used, it will be positioned at the head of the pack,
with emergency lights flashing. When the field is released, the pace
car may begin at a brisk pace, but will be sufficiently slowed before
it pulls off the track to allow orderly grouping of the field. Drivers
may not pass the pace car until it pulls off the track and the pole
car will maintain the speed of the pace car before it pulled off track
until the green flag.
If the race is not started, another pace lap will be run. Depending
on conditions, the pace car may overtake the field and resume its
function.
The front row drivers must be advised not to pass the pace car and
that the pace car may return to its position for the additional pace
lap if there is no start.
If a pace car is not used, the pole car will serve that function from
its position in the front row, complying with the instructions of the
Chief Steward or his designee.


K. The SCCA Standard Rolling Start is not a flying start. The pace lap
may begin at a brisk pace, but must be sufficiently slowed before
the start line to allow orderly grouping of the field. The actual speed
immediately prior to the start is dictated by the types of cars, size
of the field, and course layout. The same official should brief the
front row drivers before each race, preferably the Starter, under the
direction of the Chief Steward.

[Andrew Charbonneau]

my two hundred calling danny stain bullshit award he checked me up and then jamed on the the gas bullshit at road america how far do you follw pace car speed to what point ther was no point given is it at the brdge or what and by the danny bullshit did i say that . ps did you have a radio on the start and a spotter I didnt
bullshit did i say that you should take more acting classes for the camera before you call some one else out bullshit.

[Andrew Charbonneau]

Danny you jumped it Im glad you posted your vidio makes me laugh

[Andrew Charbonneau]

oh wows is me little trevor does no wrong danny steeen lets get some commentary year what did you say in the big office about drago getting taken out and you knowing it might happen watch the vidio

[Andrew Charbonneau]

Yes I did jester to go why do you think that was its beacause gooorarrian had more horse power and would have past us berfore the bridge and its your duty to get on pwoer you are in front nice jump by the way

[Andrew Charbonneau]

And when do you listen to the guy behide you any way so I guess the bump into five was a way to jester lets go andrew whooops

[Rob Burgoon]

my two hundred calling danny stain bullshit award he checked me up and then jamed on the the gas bullshit at road america how far do you follw pace car speed to what point ther was no point given is it at the brdge or what and by the danny bullshit did i say that . ps did you have a radio on the start and a spotter I didnt
bullshit did i say that you should take more acting classes for the camera before you call some one else out bullshit.

[Andrew Charbonneau]

[JRagaglia]

E. If a pace car is used, it will be positioned at the head of the pack,
with emergency lights flashing. When the field is released, the pace
car may begin at a brisk pace, but will be sufficiently slowed before
it pulls off the track to allow orderly grouping of the field. Drivers
may not pass the pace car until it pulls off the track and the pole
car will maintain the speed of the pace car before it pulled off track
until the green flag.
If the race is not started, another pace lap will be run. Depending
on conditions, the pace car may overtake the field and resume its
function.
The front row drivers must be advised not to pass the pace car and
that the pace car may return to its position for the additional pace
lap if there is no start.
If a pace car is not used, the pole car will serve that function from
its position in the front row, complying with the instructions of the
Chief Steward or his designee.


K. The SCCA Standard Rolling Start is not a flying start. The pace lap
may begin at a brisk pace, but must be sufficiently slowed before
the start line to allow orderly grouping of the field. The actual speed
immediately prior to the start is dictated by the types of cars, size
of the field, and course layout. The same official should brief the
front row drivers before each race, preferably the Starter, under the
direction of the Chief Steward.

Mike,
Throughout my 16+ years doing this, that has always been the procedure. I had no issue with the start of your race because, no 1, I had set such a slow pace to get the pack tightened up, and no 2, they did not not just go mat out as I had seen in the past. It was a gradual, but rapid increase in speed if you know what I mean. In my mind, no foul.
But as I was told by my director, he believess it may have been voted out of the GCR at the latest meeting, so you would not see it in print yet. Either way, I had no problems with the initial start, however, I was not the "Safety Car" driver for the full course yellow. Therefore I cannot comment on what happened.
Jack

[JRagaglia]

Andrew..................

It's almost 9pm, isn't your trophy wife calling you?

[Andrew Charbonneau]

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[Muda]

[High Chair]

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Do not kill the messenger but since Rob does not speak Von C this is what he said,

"Panty Stain bunched up the field by break checking before taking off on the restart. If it were not for my god like skills there would have been a huge Drago like crash. Next time please allow Fowler to get the faster of the two cars.

Von C did I get it right?

[Astro]

I am assuming the top runners were dyno'ed as part of tech...anyone have the results?

[James York]

I am assuming the top runners were dyno'ed as part of tech...anyone have the results?

That typically does not happen in the SCCA. I am sure the players were on the dyno themselves for last minute tuning, but I don't believe the SCCA did any tech with the dyno this year.