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[Danny Steyn]

So after almost 400 replies to this post it's come down to clean up the lack of "Tech", play nice on the track, and don't show up to a "Gun Fight with a Knife". I can dig it. Now can we all sit around the camp fire, drink beer and sing "Kumbiya".

That'll happen!!!! Yeah right!!!

[B(Kuch)Kucera45]

So after almost 400 replies to this post it's come down to clean up the lack of "Tech", play nice on the track, and don't show up to a "Gun Fight with a Knife". I can dig it. Now can we all sit around the camp fire, drink beer and sing "Kumbiya".

I call shotgun,I want to sit next to Jim !

[Danny Steyn]

One thing I do want to bring up in this forum, is that SMAC, CRB, SCCA, NASA etc. - PLEASE - if you are planning to make a change to weights and restrictors for the 2010 season to bring us closer together, please let us know NOW.

For some of us, (read heavy guys like me) it is going to be a major project to take out significant weight out of our cars, and with the January Nationals around the corner we have work to do as well as setup changes to make.

So dont keep us in suspense too much longer

[Blake Thompson]

They will be in the next Fastrack.

date? I thought fast track came out yesterday.

[James York]

......... to weights and restrictors for the 2010 season to bring us closer together, please let us know NOW.

Are you time warping in order to get two years of your life back Danny?

[FTodaro]

One thing I do want to bring up in this forum, is that SMAC, CRB, SCCA, NASA etc. - PLEASE - if you are planning to make a change to weights and restrictors for the 2010 season to bring us closer together, please let us know NOW.

For some of us, (read heavy guys like me) it is going to be a major project to take out significant weight out of our cars, and with the January Nationals around the corner we have work to do as well as setup changes to make.

So dont keep us in suspense too much longer

Agreed. last year when NASA when to the new wt and plate we knew about it for some time but the plates were not available till like March and we had little time before the first April event to get on a dyno with all the new regulator issues it was a bit tight. would be nice to also get the plates to us sooner. Assuming we are getting a new plate. But by all means please be the same.

[HoneyBadger - BrianW]

Agreed. last year when NASA when to the new wt and plate we knew about it for some time but the plates were not available till like March and we had little time before the first April event to get on a dyno with all the new regulator issues it was a bit tight. would be nice to also get the plates to us sooner. Assuming we are getting a new plate. But by all means please be the same.

From my experience (YMMV) my car (99 of course )does not need to be tuned between the SCCA plate and the NASA plate. Assuming that the new plate is somewhere in between, say maybe 39mm or so, most cars will likely not need to be tuned specifically for the plate.

[john mueller]

One thing I do want to bring up in this forum, is that SMAC, CRB, SCCA, NASA etc. - PLEASE - if you are planning to make a change to weights and restrictors for the 2011 season to bring us closer together, please let us know NOW.

Danny, better start eating more salads.

SCCA & NASA will be announcing P&W's soon... The sky is void of helicopters and it ain't falling either.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Danny, better start eating more salads.

SCCA & NASA will be announcing P&W's soon... The sky is void of helicopters and it ain't falling either.

Obviously you weren't in Lovely Ohio for the last TWO DAYS! The SKY WAS FALLING for more than 48 hrs. straight!

And I know as soon as these new weights and plates comes out THE SKY WILL BE FALLING for sure! I think we need a SKY IS FALLING emoticon!

[Chris70]

There you go, slow everyone down, these cars are too fast as it is . (tongue firmly in cheek). slower , easier to drive. :-) Less
Seriously , it is good if we get all cars and sanctioning bodies closer.
Cheers
Ademir

[racinglawyer]

You can bring new members to SM by acting in a manner that the new comers like..

If you have drivers getting out of line, that is not a good message to the new drivers. .I personally never had a bad encounter with a SM driver, and in fact they have all been good...I know, maybe I travel with the wrong crowd, but I like it that way and I'm sure you would too..

We must lead by example...if the example is good many will follow..if bad...well, you all know the answer.

SM is a great class with great people...lets keep it that way

[Rob Burgoon]

So how does that work, exactly, knowing what is out of compliance and what is an outright cheat? Say I show up with 35 series, 16" RA-1s. Am I cheating or out of compliance? How about that guy last season that had the exhaust that added to rear downforce? And at the time it was to the letter of the rules. Sammy shows up with some shocks where now another respected member of the community says the rebuilder is out of spec and lot's of folks throw Sammy under the bus, labeling him a cheater. But, the first place guy gets bounced for an engine infraction, trying to start a fight and some unsavory driving but because the in crowd likes the builder it's a measurement issue. Outright cheats can be "out of compliance" parts. It just depends on the part. It's not always black and white.

The whole not black and white thing was entirely my point.

16" RA-1: cheating and foolish since you're probably slower
Downforce exhaust: my memory is fuzzy but probably depends greatly on how much teeth your tech has to enforce "no other function"

Sammy and the gorilla were just a SMIDGE out of spec, because someone measured wrong. Did they have much of an unfair advantage? Very doubtful. Is tech justified in a DQ? If they did their measurements correctly, then yes. Should they be hung and quartered for it? No way.

And yes, Sammy is catching more than his fair share of flak over this. It's not fair to blast a guy when it looks like he's made a good faith effort to be legal.

Trying to start fights is a whole different kettle of fish.

[dstevens]

The whole not black and white thing was entirely my point.

16" RA-1: cheating and foolish since you're probably slower
Downforce exhaust: my memory is fuzzy but probably depends greatly on how much teeth your tech has to enforce "no other function"

Sammy and the gorilla were just a SMIDGE out of spec, because someone measured wrong. Did they have much of an unfair advantage? Very doubtful. Is tech justified in a DQ? If they did their measurements correctly, then yes. Should they be hung and quartered for it? No way.

And yes, Sammy is catching more than his fair share of flak over this. It's not fair to blast a guy when it looks like he's made a good faith effort to be legal.

Trying to start fights is a whole different kettle of fish.

Agreed.

On the fighting thing, that should be as harsh a punishment as possible. A year? Sure! Lifetime? Yeah, depending on the situation.

[Johnny D]

Obviously you weren't in Lovely Ohio for the last TWO DAYS! The SKY WAS FALLING for more than 48 hrs. straight!

And I know as soon as these new weights and plates comes out THE SKY WILL BE FALLING for sure! I think we need a SKY IS FALLING emoticon!

How's this....



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[Caveman-kwebb99]

How's this....



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I think the bricks just need to be replaced by clouds but not to bad!

[Caveman-kwebb99]

maybe just a chicken little emoticon will suffice.

[dstevens]

How's this?

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[Caveman-kwebb99]

I like it!

[Cnj]

- PLEASE - if you are planning to make a change to weights and restrictors for the 2010 season to bring us closer together, please let us know NOW.

For some of us, (read heavy guys like me) it is going to be a major project to take out significant weight out of our cars, and with the January Nationals around the corner we have work to do as well as setup changes to make.

Danny, no question it's coming as John and Jim have all but said that the two sanctioning bodies are in agreement about weights and restrictors for the 99 (and others) and they are going to hold it for 3 years. I'll put money on NASA not going back to 2450 so you had better think about how to get back to motocross size! I'd start right away on 40-50 pounds reduction if I were you. Personally I'm cool as I'm still my Durbs days size (I have over 90 pounds ballast).

I think one of the most important things NASA/SCCA can do is get the cars closer in weight. I'll trust them to get the restrictor plates right or at least incredibly close (although many won't). I'm guessing the 99 will take a small performance hit in SCCA and a small boost in NASA (if they share the same weight and plate) from existing and this is probably fine although many will fight about this for ages (ie. Whether the cars did or did not take a performance hit).

The idea of a dyno at every track is seductive, but will not happen. I raced this last week and could barely get the officials to push my car on the scales, much less do a dyno test. There simply are not enough volunteers in our region and we are one of the bigger players. With that said I would be happy to pay a compliance fee and have a tech crew fly/drive in periodically for spot checks as they did a few years ago. They did a great job in our region IMO.

I love racing this class and would race twice as much if the economy would return to health. Can't wait to race on the new F1 track. All good things come to Texas!

Cnj

[Jim Boemler]

Yeah, let's keep the weights down, so we can weed out all these fat drivers!