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[James York]

, we are "accommodating" obese people with our current rules.

 

Is that wrong?  to be inclusive.

 

Don't we accommodate smokers too?

[Caveman-kwebb99]

funny he wants us to help out poor people but no fat people...

[pat slattery]

Drivers over 190 should not run a cool suit, they need to sweat the pounds off instead.  _

[Todd Green]

Is that wrong?  to be inclusive.

 

Don't we accommodate smokers too?

No one said fatties don't have the right to compete, we're just not guaranteeing their competitiveness.   On a more serious note(*), we have two people locally that are like 6'7"+ who would love to race SM, but can't fit in the car.  Why don't we allow the floor to be dropped?  They are much more genetically challenged than those on the Caveman diet.

 

 

Serious that I've seen a bunch of tall people who've expressed interest in SM, but just won't fit in the car.  Not serious about lowering the floor.  Though I remember at the 2010 Nats, the "Evil Genius"  actually built a bubble in his hard top for helmet clearance.  Wonder if someone would have protested him had he won.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Just so we are clear I am pleasantly plump 

 

I have 75lbs of ballast in my car would love to get rid of it if you would like.  start getting them letters written hunny!

[pat slattery]

No one said fatties don't have the right to compete, we're just not guaranteeing their competitiveness.   On a more serious note(*), we have two people locally that are like 6'7"+ who would love to race SM, but can't fit in the car.  Why don't we allow the floor to be dropped?  They are much more genetically challenged than those on the Caveman diet.

 

 

Serious that I've seen a bunch of tall people who've expressed interest in SM, but just won't fit in the car.  Not serious about lowering the floor.  Though I remember at the 2010 Nats, the "Evil Genius"  actually built a bubble in his hard top for helmet clearance.  Wonder if someone would have protested him had he won.

Maybe we could spec the Pope Mobile.  2.0 sealed engine etc.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

oh and cool suits of for wussies

[CarbonRacer]

To address the obese comments. I played football and competed in cycling up until a couple years ago. When I was training with the team I road 1,000 miles per month and eating a proper diet and could never get my weight below 200 lbs. because of body type. Am I OBESE and indulge in a unhealthy lifestyle, I don't think so.

 

I drive a 97 NA car with a 2,350 min. weight and my car is always over weight even without a cool suit.

[Todd Green]

start getting them letters written hunny!

I would, but then all the heavies would write in against it and would outweigh me on the issue.  Thank you, thank you, I'll be at Caesar's Palace all week.

[Blake Thompson]

oh and cool suits of for wussies

 

you race a miata, sir.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

you race a miata, sir.

you knowed me to be a bad typits

I meaned to say cool suits are for them others wussies

[Todd Green]

Back to a serious thought, and this would have to be for 2016, but what do people think about allowing lexan windshields?  Probably not as much of a problem back east where you actually have water and can grow grass, but out west we have tons of stones right off the pavement and the fatality rate of a windshield for a season pretty much 100%.  It only takes two windshields before you've more than covered the cost of lexan.

[James York]

I would assume the lexan is quite a bit lighter than glass....  that would be the rub.  Relocating high weight.

[FTodaro]

Can we bump this obese limit to 200Lbs, i think i can get there.

[Johnny D]

Doesn't this just push the heavier guys into a better car ?

J~

[MPR22]

Can we bump this obese limit to 200Lbs, i think i can get there.

I am 210 lbs and I think if you saw me you wouldn't say I was obese, you might even think i was somewhat fit.  Muscle weighs more than skin and bones.  

[Todd Green]

I would assume the lexan is quite a bit lighter than glass....  that would be the rub.  Relocating high weight.

Supposedly it is a 10 lbs savings.  I'll know for sure by next year when I install it.  (I also have an E3 enduro car...settle down people.)

[Todd Green]

I am 210 lbs and I think if you saw me you wouldn't say I was obese, you might even think i was somewhat fit.  Muscle weighs more than skin and bones.  

[FTodaro]

So what i thought i heard from the ARRC was that the 01 was not an overdog at Atlanta. How would have 50lbs or a smaller plate worked out?

[davew]

Many years ago the SMAC discussed Lexan windows. This was back in the days of Myself, Fowler, meathead and Drago on the committee. After a lengthy discussion, we turned down the idea, Knowing that approving the Lexan would be a financial "good deal" for us shop owners. As it is a bad idea for the class.

 

part of the issue is that it is not as simple as remove the glass and glue in plastic. SCCA general rules for plastic glass would require 3 internal braces and external clips/straps. Rules also require 1/4" or 7mm plastic, which is not available at the big box stores. Thick Lexan is hard to bend, creates visuale waves when bent.

 

Having a properly formed, 1/4" thick piece of scratch resistant Lexan would be in the $400 range if I agreed to purchase 20 pieces plus pay for the mold. This is from one of the racing industries premier lexan window manufacturers.

 

Lexan is better for rock chips, but it still wears with windblown sand. I would put the lifespan of a lexan window at 15-20 races.

 

This is an example of "it sounds good at first" not being the smart decision for the long run. This is how the SMAC used to work. I hope it is how the persons involved in our current rulemaking process are thinking.

 

Dave

 

p.s. The answer as shown in Fasttrack would be "Thank yo for your input, not within class phylosophy

 

dave