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[Bench Racer]

Johnny or anyone else, can you find a video of the first lap mishap between Sloe and McDermid?

[Johnny D]

So do you think SCCA is going to edit that part out ?

 

J~

[Bench Racer]

Posted on the Prod site:

Granted from a few years ago, but a reality check of Sloe.

http://www.news-hera.../NEWS/311289982

 

So do you think SCCA is going to edit that part out ?

 

J~

 

Preface, I'm sure Wheel knows and has raced with both these drivers for years.

 

Posted in another thread by Wheel:

 

I was a couple of rows back.  Andy passed before turn 6 and Sloe locked up all four and blasted him in the right side door.  Andy continued and Sloe spun.  There were more instances than just the Andy deal.  Sloe hit me twice and I filed paper on him (first time in 41 years of SCCA racing) for the intentional hit on me on the back straight, the same lap he hit Andy.  He hit me, then drove down the back straight, pulled over and waited for Andy on the hill.  My protest was dis-allowed as I had not down loaded my video.  I would have appealed to the CoA after seeing my video, but by then I found out about all the RFAs working through the system for Andy's deal and thought it wasn't necessary.  They gave him the max allowable penalty at the event.  One year suspension of license and loss of three positions.  Andy appealed that the penalty was not severe enough.  I, along with several others, testified at the CoA and showed various videos.  The CoA submitted the case to the BoD for additional penalty, which is where we are now.  

[Johnny D]

Wow, I went looking, I only saw one with a pace lap/start from starters stand for AS, but man cars flying all over the place in a lot of other classes.

 

J~

[Topher]

Unfortunately, this type of behavior has crept into the SM world as well......

 

https://youtu.be/bUTM96xjwEo

 

Video from the Go Goblins race at VIR last weekend. Forward to 2:40 mark

[FTodaro]

I have been wanting to post more on this topic just been to busy. But the bottom line, the Mazda SCCA response in the prior press release, was just not adequate at this point in addressing our concerns. I know the SMAC has had continuing dialog, which i am not privy to, so I hope they or someone gives us an update, but I believe we have to continue to pursue changes. Its not going to stop until we make it stop.

[Todd Lamb]

I had an hour long conf call with SCCA (stewards and national) last week and we are working on implementing a pilot program for Super Tour regarding contact. I've expressed racer concerns very clearly along with highly suggested changes, but it will be up to them as to what actually gets implemented.

Keyword "contact mediator"

Discussion mostly centered around issues addressed in the SMAC letter (see post in SMAC forum area).

[Johnny D]

http://mazdaracers.c...rack-incidents/

[Johnny D]

Discussion mostly centered around issues addressed in the SMAC letter (see post in SMAC forum area).

 

http://mazdaracers.c...rack-incidents/

[FTodaro]

I had an hour long conf call with SCCA (stewards and national) last week and we are working on implementing a pilot program for Super Tour regarding contact. I've expressed racer concerns very clearly along with highly suggested changes, but it will be up to them as to what actually gets implemented.

Keyword "contact mediator"

Discussion mostly centered around issues addressed in the SMAC letter (see post in SMAC forum area).

Thank you Todd, please let us know what if anything the Class can to to help deliver the message or comment on the proposals.

 

Also I would Add that this sounds as if they are mainly focusing on majors, while we have the same issues with the regional racers.

 

For those of you who are involved in regional racing, like I am and think that we need to be as involved in Regional issues as I do, for the benefit of the class,  We need to carry a message to our Regional Stewards.

 

I have spoke to our Great Lakes Stewards and they suggest that if we have a driver who has a pattern of poor conduct, that we are to bring to them videos, and they will conduct a "Driver Review", which they can take action such as putting them on probation, just on the basis of video evidence.

 

My point, we all should take an interest in the Regional racing for the health and benefit of the class, If national is not going to address it we should.

[Johnny D]

I thought a while back Brian @ Motorsportreg and/or Race-hero said he could keep track of contacts/strikes on Lic. or maybe there was a "that would be cool if he could" comment.

 

Sounds like the electric drivers log is cool.

J~

[Bench Racer]

Sounds like the electric drivers log is cool.

J~

I don't know about NASA, but the SCCA has a logbook for notations. BUT, we would expect Tech folks to pay attention the same as if it was noted electronically. I suppose with electronic a green flag could show for no notations, a yellow flag for a notation or two and a red flag for three notations. Similar keys could be used with logbook but with more labor. 

[Johnny D]

Log book is for the car. Drivers log is for driver.

J~

[Peter Olivola]

Not Majors.  Super Tour.  There will be no direct involvement in the Majors program from the national office other than scheduling approval.  At least for the Central States Conference there will be a Race Director, but different for each Division's events.

 

 

Also I would Add that this sounds as if they are mainly focusing on majors, while we have the same issues with the regional racers.

[Todd Lamb]

Correct Peter.

 

The Super Tour would be the pilot program, and it was discussed that the procedures that are developed there would trickle down to the Majors/Regionals as more and more regional stewards are exposed to the Super Tour procedures. 

 

Again, all in theory until we see an actual plan.

[Tom Sager]

Thank you Todd, please let us know what if anything the Class can to to help deliver the message or comment on the proposals.

 

Also I would Add that this sounds as if they are mainly focusing on majors, while we have the same issues with the regional racers.

 

For those of you who are involved in regional racing, like I am and think that we need to be as involved in Regional issues as I do, for the benefit of the class,  We need to carry a message to our Regional Stewards.

 

I have spoke to our Great Lakes Stewards and they suggest that if we have a driver who has a pattern of poor conduct, that we are to bring to them videos, and they will conduct a "Driver Review", which they can take action such as putting them on probation, just on the basis of video evidence.

 

My point, we all should take an interest in the Regional racing for the health and benefit of the class, If national is not going to address it we should.

Until the actual procedures get worked out top to bottom and rolled out at all levels of races, I see nothing wrong with a steward holding a drivers meeting at the start of an event weekend and reminding everyone of the rules, how they expect drivers to behave and that the corner workers and stewards will be watching.  Once in a while at meetings this comes up but not very often and I do think that most drivers respect that message.

[Bench Racer]

Short note from tis past weekend at the Farm.

 

Me being lapped by the race group leading car which was an F production car with a couple SM in tow. Farm drivers will get the picture. Previous laps I had observed these cars closing the gap to me. At T 3d sharp right hander, thru the next T a rather sharp left hander and approaching T4 another left hander I stayed drivers left, driving with left hand and pointing right with right hand to classic line allowing the full racing line to those about to lap me. The F production car laps me drivers left with two wheels in  the grass. Talked with the guy after the race, told him how easy it would have been for me to wipe out the passengers side of his plastic car and all he could say is, do you know how long I've been racing.   End of conversation and walked away.

 

Peter, comments??? 

 

Tom, Packers have the supposed edge tonight. The Packers Q back issue is larger than the Bears Q back Cutler issue (Understand he's not playing tonight). Both head cases???

[Jim Drago]

 

 

Tom, Packers have the supposed edge tonight. The Packers Q back issue is larger than the Bears Q back Cutler issue (Understand he's not playing tonight). Both head cases???

Packers QB back is issue is the equivalent of one of teh best SM engines out there that needs new spark plugs...  Bears QB issues is you need a new pro engine  and btw the car is a POS as  well

[Bench Racer]

Packers QB back is issue is the equivalent of one of teh best SM engines out there that needs new spark plugs...  Bears QB issues is you need a new pro engine  and btw the car is a POS as  well

From my reading, it's Rodgers spark plug receiver that's the issue. Same issue his spark plug receiver had with a pro hooky player previous to him. Tacky talk, but it takes more than missing a receiver or two for an ultimate Q back (by his and others standards) to hit the skids and he's kind of been on the skids since last year. Tom's Q back (Cutler) was a head case long before the Bears got him. Ask any of our Denver friends.

[Tom Sager]

Short note from tis past weekend at the Farm.

 

Me being lapped by the race group leading car which was an F production car with a couple SM in tow. Farm drivers will get the picture. Previous laps I had observed these cars closing the gap to me. At T 3d sharp right hander, thru the next T a rather sharp left hander and approaching T4 I stayed drivers left, driving with left hand and pointing right with right hand to classic line allowing the full racing line to those about to lap me. The F production car laps me drivers left with two wheels in  the grass. Talked with the guy after the race, told him how easy it would have been for me to wipe out the passengers side of his plastic car and all he could say is, do you know how long I've been racing.   End of conversation and walked away.

 

Peter, comments??? 

 

Tom, Packers have the supposed edge tonight. The Packers Q back issue is larger than the Bears Q back Cutler issue (Understand he's not playing tonight). Both head cases???

Sounds to me like the Midget driver wanted you to move to the grass first. 

 

There is another team, the Chicago Cubs, playing in a playoff game tonight.  We've given up on the Bears this year.  However, I'd say all the pressure is on the Packers tonight because we know the Bears suck and if they somehow win, it won't be good for the Pack or their fans.