Thank you for proving my point:
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Thank you. Letter sent.
the perception across the SCCA IMO of the letter system is that the advisory committees just say "thank you for your input" to everything, which leaves the membership with the impression that there letter was mostly just ignored and put in the trash.
I know the autocross advisory committees have been working on trying to give a little bit more feedback than just the TYFYI for proposals which at least validates the letter writer a bit. that validation goes a long way to the cynicism of the membership.
I understand that there are some crazy proposals that dont need a huge explanation, or there are changes that require the membership be kinda left in the dark (see also the letters written about shocks, while the penske was being evaluated and changed). a little explanation on why decisions are made though would go a long way, and i thank you for your time Sean, coming in here and answering questions.
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Just and FYI, SCCA handed out Tire Limit Questionnaire to drivers at the Watkins Glen HST this weekend.
Ironically this is a track where very few of us run stickers. I ran 2-4HC tires for the qually and races.
With regard to a tire limit, I am all in favor of it, if it is sensible. However I don't see it as simple to implement and I forsee issues with enforcement and "exceptions". I have been at races, Daytona most recently, where I have had to lock down a car, and corded all 4 tires. To be told that I cannot run the next race because I do not have tires, would send me to another sanctioning body, so there needs to be a rule for the exception. And if there is a rule for the exception, then there is always that creative person using that rule exception to his advantage.
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Just and FYI, SCCA handed out Tire Limit Questionnaire to drivers at the Watkins Glen HST this weekend.
Ironically this is a track where very few of us run stickers. I ran 2-4HC tires for the qually and races.
With regard to a tire limit, I am all in favor of it, if it is sensible. However I don't see it as simple to implement and I forsee issues with enforcement and "exceptions". I have been at races, Daytona most recently, where I have had to lock down a car, and corded all 4 tires. To be told that I cannot run the next race because I do not have tires, would send me to another sanctioning body, so there needs to be a rule for the exception. And if there is a rule for the exception, then there is always that creative person using that rule exception to his advantage.
WGI is a track that loves HC'ed tires as opposed to stickers.
That said, a track which loves stickers (NJMP Thunderbolt) does support the thoughts of gamesmanship.
Stamp your used tires (however many is part of the rule), go out in qualifying and "have a lock-up" making your black round tires square, then get four new stamps on your stickers.
Not sure how you would police that (video evidence?) or there being any enforcement for attempting to violate it with a questionable behavior. Certainly nothing license-affecting (points, probation, reprimand) but perhaps "weekend impact" specific.
Isn't there an SM compliance chief now present at each HST? Make them the "tire stamp czar"?
Just and FYI, SCCA handed out Tire Limit Questionnaire to drivers at the Watkins Glen HST this weekend.
Ironically this is a track where very few of us run stickers. I ran 2-4HC tires for the qually and races.
With regard to a tire limit, I am all in favor of it, if it is sensible. However I don't see it as simple to implement and I forsee issues with enforcement and "exceptions". I have been at races, Daytona most recently, where I have had to lock down a car, and corded all 4 tires. To be told that I cannot run the next race because I do not have tires, would send me to another sanctioning body, so there needs to be a rule for the exception. And if there is a rule for the exception, then there is always that creative person using that rule exception to his advantage.
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Just and FYI, SCCA handed out Tire Limit Questionnaire to drivers at the Watkins Glen HST this weekend.
Ironically this is a track where very few of us run stickers. I ran 2-4HC tires for the qually and races.
With regard to a tire limit, I am all in favor of it, if it is sensible. However I don't see it as simple to implement and I forsee issues with enforcement and "exceptions". I have been at races, Daytona most recently, where I have had to lock down a car, and corded all 4 tires. To be told that I cannot run the next race because I do not have tires, would send me to another sanctioning body, so there needs to be a rule for the exception. And if there is a rule for the exception, then there is always that creative person using that rule exception to his advantage.
just for the sake of argument. lets say there was a 4 marked tire rule (new or used). Lets say there was an exception for flat spotting tires, I you could prove to tech for replacement. Lets say replacement had to be used tires.
The racer looking to push the rule would go out for Q1 and on the cool down lap lock them up hard. Go to tech with his one lap "scrub" stickers (considered used) and replace all 4.
but not allowing for a replacement for damaged tires could put you on the trailer for the weekend after Q1. (worst case)
just for the sake of argument. lets say there was a 4 marked tire rule (new or used). Lets say there was an exception for flat spotting tires, I you could prove to tech for replacement. Lets say replacement had to be used tires.
The racer looking to push the rule would go out for Q1 and on the cool down lap lock them up hard. Go to tech with his one lap "scrub" stickers (considered used) and replace all 4.
but not allowing for a replacement for damaged tires could put you on the trailer for the weekend after Q1. (worst case)
just for the sake of argument. lets say there was a 4 marked tire rule (new or used). Lets say there was an exception for flat spotting tires, I you could prove to tech for replacement. Lets say replacement had to be used tires.
The racer looking to push the rule would go out for Q1 and on the cool down lap lock them up hard. Go to tech with his one lap "scrub" stickers (considered used) and replace all 4.
but not allowing for a replacement for damaged tires could put you on the trailer for the weekend after Q1. (worst case)
Replacement of 1 tire = Must be a tire with a previous event sticker, not simply a used tire.
Replacement of 2 or more tires = Must be tires with previous event stickers and 2 second qualifying time penalty.
And all replacements have to be approved by tech due to "damage".
Or something like this.
The racer looking to push the rule would go out for Q1 and on the cool down lap lock them up hard. Go to tech with his one lap "scrub" stickers (considered used) and replace all 4.
If you have to change MORE THAN ONE tires you start at the back
With regard to a tire limit, I am all in favor of it, if it is sensible. However I don't see it as simple to implement and I forsee issues with enforcement and "exceptions". I have been at races, Daytona most recently, where I have had to lock down a car, and corded all 4 tires. To be told that I cannot run the next race because I do not have tires, would send me to another sanctioning body, so there needs to be a rule for the exception. And if there is a rule for the exception, then there is always that creative person using that rule exception to his advantage.
You can substitute 4 tires, but you have to start at the back if driver error
Could also add an appeal portion to the plan. Appeal to stewart as we all run video. If you lock 4 down to avoid someone and a crash, you perhaps can swap tires for other used and keep your position.
Again, there is no official plan, it is just an idea
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. I also call BS as you are not going to go to another sanctioning body unless you may go pro. You will not find the competition you crave at chump or nasa or pca or BMW club etc. So that is just an idol threat and argument.
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I think he has you there Danny
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The racer looking to push the rule would go out for Q1 and on the cool down lap lock them up hard. Go to tech with his one lap "scrub" stickers (considered used) and replace all 4.
I liked it so much.. I had to use it again...
https://www.youtube....h?v=cH7e5wxSbbQ
If you are dumb enough to do that, you start from the back, PERIOD. Its really not that tough.
If there is an exception plan, you better dam well have an iron clad i was about to die video proof or you start from the back
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but not allowing for a replacement for damaged tires could put you on the trailer for the weekend after Q1. (worst case)
And NO WHERE didnt anyone suggest putting someone on the trailer.. Worst penalty I suggested or saw anywhere was you lose your times when replacing more than one tire. You start in the rear, not go home. For all these people ( who personally I don't think exist) who flat spot all four tires multiple times etc. Hopefully this plan will make them better drivers as they will eventually get tired of starting in the back and learn?
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For all these people ( who personally I don't think exist) who flat spot all four tires multiple times etc. Hopefully this plan will make them better drivers as they will eventually get tired of starting in the back and learn?
I agree. I do not think it happens much. So if an exception is found to be too difficult then I think back of the pack is fine.
I’d take 10 spot penalty for stickers with very little thought at most tracks. Remember imo this is little more than a scare tactic.. I have not flat spotted four tires over the last three years let alone one time?To the back may be considered too severe and lose support. Would it make sense to get hit with say 5 grid positions, or 2 positions per tire >1? How many positions would you trade for stickers?
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