285 replies to this topic

[Steve Scheifler]

Allow me to offer the non-cave dweller version:

Given the level of interest I’m sure the SMAC will give us a sense of where things stand. This unofficial poll may or may not be entirely representative of the broader population, but as polls go it is statistically a more than adequate number of respondents, and at greater than 12:1 in favor of some form of tire program with less than 6% undecided, I don’t see how it would be justified to simply kill the entire subject in committee without more input. That would require some public justification and a public show of hands from the SMAC. We have a right to know who is and isn’t in agreement with us on major issues. Anyone who doesn’t think so should reconsider their involvement with the committee.

[Tom Hampton]

We have a right to know who is and isn’t in agreement with us on major issues. Anyone who doesn’t think so should reconsider their involvement with the committee.

That's the spirit! Now that I'm a paid member of the SCCA again...I can chime in without remorse! (Okay, I didn't feel any remorse before, either). But, I maybe should have.

On the other hand...I like the Cave-dweller version...or the Henry VIII version.

[Bench Racer]

The SMAC call was last night, its been dead silence... 

Sure hope personal agendas and grievances against where the proposal came from didn't get in way of what's best for the class. 

Time will tell, but feel fairly certain a thank you for your input the rules are fine as written is in my future.

If you get this ^ response, I'll forward the Collins, Thank You For Your Input sign. Hey, it's even has a attached holding stick.

[Jim Drago]

If you get this ^ response, I'll forward the Collins, Thank You For Your Input sign. Hey, it's even has a attached holding stick.

I’ll copy and paste the response here when I get it

[Steve Scheifler]

I’ll copy and paste the response here when I get it

When will that be? Why should we wait? SMAC members have accounts here, if they have reached a decision then I am calling on them to step forward now and lay it out. If deliberations continue then post here their reservations for comment or make a formal recommendation that member input be requested. There are several acceptable paths from here but a simple statement of rejection at some later date isn’t one of them.

[Steve Scheifler]

Oh, and someone figure out how to request that Hoosier please incorporate a couple smooth sections of sidewall on the SM8 so we have a place for stickers.

[Steve Scheifler]

And would someone PLEASE update the SMAC members list on this forum? It’s still from 2015 for crap’s sake.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

And would someone PLEASE update the SMAC members list on this forum? It’s still from 2015 for crap’s sake.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Powers
Hedrick
Provitz
Cefalo
Can't remember the 5th member.kohler?

[Jim Drago]

When will that be? Why should we wait? SMAC members have accounts here, if they have reached a decision then I am calling on them to step forward now and lay it out. If deliberations continue then post here their reservations for comment or make a formal recommendation that member input be requested. There are several acceptable paths from here but a simple statement of rejection at some later date isn’t one of them.

 

The SMAC whether for or against this proposal ( any letter or proposal) is not supposed to comment on their personal opinions after a vote. If they vote 3-2 for something it passes, and publicly all are supposed to support it. If it they vote against it, they are not supposed to comment out of turn. The last thing they need is for people to say I was for it but Ralph ( example only) tanked it. 

 

The chance of SMAC members coming on here and explaining their personal position is slim and none and slim left a long time ago   Perhaps Sean Hedrick as Chairman, after the response has been sent can post something on behalf of the SMAC and their thinking.  But from past experience, I can say that is often a tough road as well, but can be done.

 

SMAC members

Sean Hedrick Chair

Ralph Provitz

Jason Kohler

Rich Powers

Marc Cefalo 

 

 

I would expect an email a week or so after the CRB meeting, maybe 3 weeks or so

[Sean - MiataCage]

If this doesn't go to the members of our class to decided through crb input imo every smac member against that should be removed from his possition. It is our class it should be up to the racers!

 

For a guy who is potentially calling for the heads of volunteers trying to help better this class I would have expected that you would have submitted a letter.  You have 8 posts in this thread alone but couldn't take 2 seconds to send in a letter..... Come on dude.

 

We have Jim's proposal and 3 additional letters.  Three......  

 

So, Kyle..... Instead of being an internet hero and threatening volunteers if you don't get your way, follow the process and submit a freakin letter.  

 

This forum while entertaining has ZERO bearing on decisions and official policy of the SMAC or CRB.  The only formal consideration is through the CRB letter system.

 

With 3 letters for a class with thousands of cars and only 11 races, it is hard for us to believe that this is a huge problem, without more input.

 

Personally, I like the concept and think it merits more discussion and input from members.  We have not made a formal decision on anything at this time as we only have 3 letters and are doing some logistical research. 

 

Everyone who has commented in this thread, please take 2 seconds and submit a letter.

 

Sean

[Jim Drago]

 

 

We have Jim's proposal and 3 additional letters.  Three......  

 

 

Sean

pathetic   If half the people who voted here in the poll sent in the shortest letter.. all of two minutes.. It would have been hard to ignore..

 

Very simple, I just did a sample letter to see how long it takes, literally less than 30 seconds

 

CRBSCCA.com

 

Prefilled box will pop up

a few arrow downs

 

choose the following:

club racing board

 

spec miata

 

Sm

 

Under "title"  add  : "tire limiting proposal"

 

request box add: "I support a problem that limits the number of tires used per weekend"

 

click submit, done!

[Tom Hampton]

request box add: "I support a problem that limits the number of tires used per weekend"

Can I add....Jim Dargo told me to say it. ??
 

[Tom Hampton]

Under "title" add : "tire limiting proposal"
request box add: "I support a problem that limits the number of tires used per weekend"
click submit, done!

Done.  Now I can be all "high and mighty" about it. With 4 letters submitted, and 2 more to follow...it's now a landslide, and the SMAC has been innundated with our demands!

[Tom Sager]

pathetic   If half the people who voted here in the poll sent in the shortest letter.. all of two minutes.. It would have been hard to ignore..

 

Very simple, i just did it to see, literally less than 30 seconds

 

CRBSCCA.com

 

Prefilled box will pop up

a few arrow downs

 

choose the following:

club racing board

 

spec miata

 

Sm

 

Under "title"  add  : "tire limiting proposal"

 

request box add: "I support a problem that limits the number of tires used per weekend"

 

click submit, done!

 

Will send a letter this weekend.  Yes others please do the same and it wouldn't hurt to request a tire change for 2020.  Yeah that seems to be in the works but that's an improvement we should all want. 

[Caveman-kwebb99]

For a guy who is potentially calling for the heads of volunteers trying to help better this class I would have expected that you would have submitted a letter. You have 8 posts in this thread alone but couldn't take 2 seconds to send in a letter..... Come on dude.

We have Jim's proposal and 3 additional letters. Three......

So, Kyle..... Instead of being an internet hero and threatening volunteers if you don't get your way, follow the process and submit a freakin letter.

This forum while entertaining has ZERO bearing on decisions and official policy of the SMAC or CRB. The only formal consideration is through the CRB letter system.

With 3 letters for a class with thousands of cars and only 11 races, it is hard for us to believe that this is a huge problem, without more input.

Personally, I like the concept and think it merits more discussion and input from members. We have not made a formal decision on anything at this time as we only have 3 letters and are doing some logistical research.

Everyone who has commented in this thread, please take 2 seconds and submit a letter.

Sean

Sean, I knew Jim sent a letter, we all voted here and well as it was posted on Facebook to catch more people into the conversation.

I have no idea what the process is the only time I have ever seen racers asked to send a crb letter is after the smac decides to be for a change.

Now that you are asking for a letter I am happy to write one as will many others.

The smac seems to be a secret society to me and maybe others that are not politically involved in the club.

I commend you for coming on here and posting what you have posted.

Will send a letter soon!

I am not demanding my way btw I am asking for it to go to the class to vote! If more then 50% voted against it then it should die whether I want it or not!

[Steve Scheifler]

Sean, as you know I didn’t send a letter either. At this time we are not active participants in HST and only our loaner cars are active in the class. As such I still feel justified to comment publicly and be involved in the conversation, but not to the extent of a formal request to the CRB on this particular matter.

As for the rest, I’m surprised there weren’t more letters but I don’t buy the default excuse for SMAC to ignore something they don’t favor. Seriously, the interest in this is abundantly clear no matter the vehicle. Shall we enumerate the times over the years that SMAC has taken it upon themselves to recommend something with little or no public debate or input? As for “thousands” of cars, not in any one season and certainly not in HST, barely into hundreds. How about asking them? How about my suggestion to seek input with a form at registration, or at an impound-all? Too simple and old-school?

Sure, the caveman has been on this forum MORE than long enough to know the procedure and that SMAC is free to ignore anything they want without a flood of letters. Surely his handlers have read that to him more than once, but, he’s a caveman. A lot of people haven’t been around long but may be aware that when something is proposed it eventually goes out for member input. Seeing here that there is overwhelming support from those on the forum it isn’t unreasonable to assume that will eventually come, or at least that it won’t be killed without something more than an evening phone discussion amongst five guys. Again, plenty has been done without a letter campaign.

Thanks for stepping up to discuss it though, that is definitely appreciated.

[Craig Berry]

I may be missing something here, and am not going to go back and read 10 pages. 1. Would this not save a lot of $ for a lot of us? 2. Would this not bring some farther back in the field who are getting outspent on tires closer to the front? Again I do not see the negative here, please educate me.
Thanks

[mellen]

 

CRBSCCA.com

 

Prefilled box will pop up

a few arrow downs

 

choose the following:

club racing board

 

spec miata

 

Sm

 

Under "title"  add  : "tire limiting proposal"

 

request box add: "I support a problem that limits the number of tires used per weekend"

 

click submit, done!

done

[Jim Drago]

I may be missing something here, and am not going to go back and read 10 pages. 1. Would this not save a lot of $ for a lot of us? 2. Would this not bring some farther back in the field who are getting outspent on tires closer to the front? Again I do not see the negative here, please educate me.
Thanks

for years guys like me, you,Steyn and others "are just outspending everyone to win"... We submit something to not allow anyone to do that and I don't understand the push back either.