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[ECOBRAP]

Well all I have to say is that I'm working on buying a car now and if all the stars a line I will be on the grass is greener side this year !

Now I'm not saying by getting this car I'm going to be a sec. Faster at every track I go to but I do hope I'm faster. If for some reason I'm not I will gladly come on here and let people know that. Just so you know I was never upset over the rules and just ran with it. I always liked being the underdog because it made winning that much more fun. I always loved when I was accused of cheating and laught at them and told them they could check anything on the car they wanted. Then I told them when there done to also check the factory radio in the car because that still works as well. Oh crap is a radio a sm part ? Lol

With that all being said I will be selling a top notch Reg. Car and a better then mid pack 1.6 for cheap if you know anyone ? Hint hint !!!

 

I suggest you drive one before making that decision, they're fast but not as fun :]

[B(Kuch)Kucera45]

I suggest you drive one before making that decision, they're fast but not as fun :]

I know I drove a few of them

[38bfast]

Drennan, Carbonnel, Ghidinelli, Kaiser.  3 locals and one Pro driver with time at Laguna. Which Eaststreet car was 4th?
 
You made my point Jim And I consider you ,Craig and Eric great drivers for what its worth 
 
The other aspect is it is always hard to compare 1 race...but we try
 
 
BTW....Ralph and crew...the NA 1.8 needs an adjustment!!!!

We do have a letter addressing the 1.8

[Ron Alan]

We do have a letter addressing the 1.8

Can I sign the bottom of it??

[38bfast]

Can I sign the bottom of it??

Or you could put in one of your own. But please be specific of what change you would like to see and the performance impact that change would affect with data to support that proposal.

[Bruce Wilson]

So do I, but that is not what we are talking about
Jim

You asked for Majors winners who have 1.6s Jim.  Between that list and at least one more humble racer there are dozens of National/Majors hotly contested wins. Ken alone has 100+ checkered flags lining his garage walls going all the way back to Pro Miata and he hasn't raced regionals in years.  I heard Mark the Shark is planning to come to every regional race this year to show us what hacks we really are.  I'm thinking anyone who is pissed about the runoffs should do the same.  Wouldn't that be a friggin hoot?  We would welcome all with open arms and I'm in for bbq every weekend!

[Johnny D]

What year car did Ken come to the runoffs in at MRLS ??

Just asking.

J~

[Bruce Wilson]

What year car did Ken come to the runoffs in at MRLS ??

Just asking.

J~

What is your point Johnny?  Ken was in one of Sean's 99s.  Nobody who thought they had a chance at winning would have driven a 1.6 in that race!  They were at MRLS testing different cars pretty much the whole year.  So was Mark and Brian, and they all chose NB!

[Johnny D]

I'm with you, 1.6's are great on the West Coast. Maybe East Coast has just given up ?

So are any of the Oregon boys going to Daytona and in what year car?

How about how many Majors are Ken doing in a 1.6 ?

Still Just asking.

J~

[Bruce Wilson]

I don't think anybody knows what they are doing yet.  Obviously everyone was waiting on the rules changes.  I don't think one of the people on that list will be racing 1.6s this year, so they'll just sit in Ken's, Sean's, Matt's, etc. Garage taking up space!

 

The more I hear, the more I KNOW this is an EAST vs. WEST coast perception issue.  The East gave up on the NA years ago, and it was just this last year that the West did.  

 

With regard to cost.  My car is one of the best prepped and fastest 1.6 cars on the West coast and I'm confident I've spent way less than a bunch of NB racers.  I'm pretty sure it's because I'm confident about my knowledge of the platform AND I consider myself a really shitty "mechanic" (just ask everyone  )  The "cost more" perception is not entirely true. The engines have more "tolerance", so often requires more parts bin selecting, but once you have the right parts, you learn to make them last!  Other than that, the NA is a better racecar overall.  Did I mention how much I hate the Torsen?

[Johnny D]

So have you sent a letter that may get those 1.6's out ?

 

And have you thought about writing a how to book like Dave's ?
Not for profit but for the betterment of the class?

J~

[Bruce Wilson]

Yep,

 

Nope, I know too much and people would have to kill me

[Bench Racer]

I hate to interupt this thread.

 

Was looking for info the other day. On another site this same 1.6 conversation was going on during year 2008. Thread was started by a well respected driver that climbed through the Miata ranks from Spec Miata into pro rides. And left coast drivers took part in the thread.

 

I've also researched the history of the 1.6 engine a bit. Don't beleive the 1.6 intake/head technology/compression/over bore/cold intake will improve the issue where I believe the issue is. No disrespect to those in favor of compression, over bore, cold air, flywheel. Think about it guys, the 99 + head/intake/adjustable cams/cams/technology and torque is way out front of the 1.6 engine.

 

Look at the output of a good ITA 1.6 engine, where they are allowed considerable more than the SM engine other than de-shroud and plunge cut. Compare the torque to the 1.6 SM engine. Without an after market ECU, not all that impressive. 

 

Yes Craig I have proposed two solutions (outside the box) in the past to bring the 1.6 to play heads up with the 99 plus. Re-trace my posts. 

 

Jim Dargo, your 1.6 could not back up the 2012 Sprints run during the 2012 Runoffs.

EDIT:

I'm not back tracking for the exact words, your 1.6 driver posted in a similar thread back in 2012 that a 1.6 at Road America was like bringing a knife to a gun fight. I'm also not posting the videos again and asking for folks to find the 1.6 makeing a pass after T1 on the first lap on it's own without an on track issue. He may have passed Berry heading to T12 when he got inside Berry and Berry let it go to pass a bit later. Not bashing anyone, only stating what I viewed. 

 

To the engine builders and others that like to take shots at me, I've got $1,000.00 or more all at the ready when you show me how you can legally provide what the 1.6 needs to play heads up with the 99 +. How many other 1.6er's would have that same $1,000.00 plus?

 

My 1.6 with cool suite water and one gallon of gas weighs 2,020 pounds. I built the car and am very capable of setting the car up and maintaining the car. Similar engine numbers to Drago's 1.6 when run on a DynaPack. I have 90* intake air at the filter on an 80* day. 

 

I for one am not all about the win, I'm all about seeing an engine that can compete heads up with the other engines, considering everything else is equal. I'm able to focus and not be side tracked by all the tangent BS that is constantly throw in many posts.

 

Please carry on.

[Ron Alan]

What year car did Ken come to the runoffs in at MRLS ??
Just asking.

J~

So have you sent a letter that may get those 1.6's out ?
 
And have you thought about writing a how to book like Dave's ?
Not for profit but for the betterment of the class?
J~

I'm with you, 1.6's are great on the West Coast. Maybe East Coast has just given up ?
So are any of the Oregon boys going to Daytona and in what year car?
How about how many Majors are Ken doing in a 1.6 ?
Still Just asking.
J~

Why?

Just asking

[Johnny D]

Is asking that different than "Why" ?

I could ask the same Ron, but I don't judge.

Say what you wish.

J~

[Ron Alan]

Is asking that different than "Why" ?
I could ask the same Ron, but I don't judge.
Say what you wish.
J~

If you want to ask sincere questions...ones you don't know the answers to...ask them. When you know the answers, some may question...why? You are a moderator here...and I do judge what you post. If I'm out of line, you can edit if you like.

[Jim Drago]

What is your point Johnny?  Ken was in one of Sean's 99s.  Nobody who thought they had a chance at winning would have driven a 1.6 in that race!

I think his point is that it didn't seem to matter which car they came in as they weren't close to winning in their 99's either? Ironically, the fastest guy from that group was Shultz in his 1.6? So what does all that say? I have no idea, probably nothing as I have no idea what was going on with them or their cars.

[Cnj]

 
I've also researched the history of the 1.6 engine a bit. Don't beleive the 1.6 intake/head technology/compression/over bore/cold intake will improve the issue where I believe the issue is. No disrespect to those in favor of compression, over bore, cold air, flywheel. Think about it guys, the 99 + head/intake/adjustable cams/cams/technology and torque is way out front of the 1.6 engine.
 
Look at the output of a good ITA 1.6 engine, where they are allowed considerable more than the SM engine other than de-shroud and plunge cut. Compare the torque to the 1.6 SM engine. Without an after market ECU, not all that impressive. 
 
Yes Craig I have proposed two solutions (outside the box) in the past to bring the 1.6 to play heads up with the 99 plus. Re-trace my posts. 
 

Dave,

FWIW I agree with you - and that's been my point. To my knowledge no one, including you, has presented a viable or proven solution to matching torque. If I'm wrong lets get the solution implemented so we can then also run the 1.6 and 99 at matching weights and stop the bitching. No need to change the 1.6 front suspension cause apparently that makes no difference

Now to your 2 proposed (out of the box) solutions, I'm eager to hear them, but I'm really NOT going to search through 2,571 of your posts to find these. Recently you suggested that you intend to test a Megasquirt. Excellent. However till its a proven solution it's just a statement of intent.

CNJ

[Bruce Wilson]

I think his point is that it didn't seem to matter which car they came in as they weren't close to winning in their 99's either? Ironically, the fastest guy from that group was Shultz in his 1.6? So what does all that say? I have no idea, probably nothing as I have no idea what was going on with them or their cars.

Well they were at a disadvantage (big or small) as to what Most East coast guys thought was legal, Ken was having car issues (so were you), and Matt was driving a 95, not a 1.6, that he built weeks before the race...  So I agree, that doesn't say much and really not relevant to the 1.6 conversation.  Again, you asked for Majors winners who still owned 1.6s.

[Jim Drago]

Well they were at a disadvantage (big or small) as to what Most East coast guys thought was legal, Ken was having car issues (so were you), and Matt was driving a 95, not a 1.6, that he built weeks before the race...  So I agree, that doesn't say much and really not relevant to the 1.6 conversation.  Again, you asked for Majors winners who still owned 1.6s.

for the record.. I was not having car problems. I just got beat.