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[Caveman-kwebb99]

Well I wasn't actually singling you out, but if you want me too! Stop picking on the new guy kwebb! You give us real Cheetahs a bad name!

And while your at it, quit changing your avatar! We like the mono-kini chick! Unless you can find a better one than her, put her back up!

Can I still pick on Rob?

No MONO KINIS it is unimpropriate on this site. It offends Jeff Greens Wife, I have relented on my smutt for NOW! Green already threatened me to have to drink some 3-2 beer, sounds liek somethign ladies drink to me... LOL

I hope Ron Alan can help me with my spelling and grandmar

[Caveman-kwebb99]

herd an interesting story about an out of class car pushin another lower class car around the track for an entire race somewhere down south, this last weekend. legal or not?

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Also how much do eggs cost in brooklyn?

[Jamz14]

Kwebb,

If two guys are a half second off the very best pace, then could working together in the draft not improve them enough to put them in front of the fastest guys for the start? A half second off is not much and very fast in itself. BTW, if two guys a half second off did manage to get ahead of the pack, I'm all for that right now!!! Will help slow up the fastest guys for a lap hopefully and give my slower driver a chance to hang and learn just a bit longer with you.

[Jason J Ball]

Somebody has taken all the fun out of the forum!

Now where will I get my fill of mandrama???

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Kwebb,

If two guys are a half second off the very best pace, then could working together in the draft not improve them enough to put them in front of the fastest guys for the start? A half second off is not much and very fast in itself. BTW, if two guys a half second off did manage to get ahead of the pack, I'm all for that right now!!! Will help slow up the fastest guys for a lap hopefully and give my slower driver a chance to hang and learn just a bit longer with you.

depends on the track to asnwer you question, and that is assuming the fast guy doesnt have a draft partner. If I am .5 off and the guy that is .5 faster than me and he dont have a dance partner I am going to get on his bumper rather than trying to team up with a guy same speed as me.

.5 is an eterinty on some tracks, I can remeber when i could get to withing .5 of the front guys I was all proud of myself, till I realized that the .5 was gonna be the toughest .5 I ever gained.

my advice is make freinds with the guy that is .5 faster than you and hope he lets you start the qual on his bumper and hang long as you can. even if you cant hang you can sure learn by watching what he does. I used to go to grid and wait till the guy I wanted to follow came to grid then I would pull in behind him, he had no idea what I was doing, once I learned from that guy and could drive as fast as him , I found my next challenge.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Somebody has taken all the fun out of the forum!

Now where will I get my fill of mandrama???

Talk to Drago, he is taking Kuwayloods or something. This is Be Nice and boring racers dot com now...


I am just a conformist...

[DrDomm]

I believe in democracy, and I thought the point of this thread was to get a concensus as to whether we thought bump drafting should be legalized completely in SCCA SM or on a race by race basis. Can someone who knows how just start a poll? Shouldn't a "Club" conform to the wishes of its members?

I'm ok bumping if I hear it'll be accepted, but I won't if it's clearly unacceptable.

I'm a newbie also, but I won't go calling everyone cheaters.

[Jim Drago]

I believe in democracy, and I thought the point of this thread was to get a concensus as to whether we thought bump drafting should be legalized completely in SCCA SM or on a race by race basis. Can someone who knows how just start a poll? Shouldn't a "Club" conform to the wishes of its members?

I'm ok bumping if I hear it'll be accepted, but I won't if it's clearly unacceptable.

I'm a newbie also, but I won't go calling everyone cheaters.

When legal gets involved.. it is entirely different story The club management is supposed to look out for the interests of the club as a whole. Sometimes the hardest part of that job is saving the members from themselves

[Caveman-kwebb99]

I believe in democracy,

I'm a newbie also, but I won't go calling everyone cheaters.

Me to and by the way I was born in the USA. therefore I have cheetin at my core. We were the first to the moon, first to the atomic bomb, the telephone, we even stold land from those who lived here.

Domm, its simple BD is Illegal in SCCA... I race SCCA, and I bump draft as well as everyone else does to, My region makes no mention about it one way or another, maybe there are regions that do.

St. ambrose once said “if you were in Rome, live in the Roman way; if you are elsewhere, live as they do there”

[Bench Racer]

Is there more than 1 top prepped, and driven 1.6 in the country, let alone at the same race?

It always comes back to parity and the 1.6 for you. I've wanted to build and drive a 1.6 for years but you have scared me off.

Kyle & Tom, there was NOTHING stated of PARITY in my previous post. Presume there were enough top preped 1.6's/drive by "COOL FOLKS", take the points as they were stated & let er fly.


Tom, if your going to be at the Farm for the July regional with your son. Stop by & look my 1.6 over. If your inclined that it's a first rate car set up correctly, your welcome to do a session if you can reach the pedals. The week before that race the car will have been on the Dyno. Will test the fuel pressure regulator/printed AFM/tune. What is your body weigh with drivers gear? 16 inch Ultra Shield Pro road race seat.

[DrDomm]

When legal gets involved.. it is entirely different story The club management is supposed to look out for the interests of the club as a whole. Sometimes the hardest part of that job is saving the members from themselves

Ok, well that's good to know. So it's illegal because of liability to the Club? But NASA's lawyers say otherwise? I guess there will be no clarity.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Kyle & Tom, there was NOTHING stated of PARITY in my previous post. Presume there were enough top preped 1.6's/drive by "COOL FOLKS", take the points as they were stated & let er fly.

You question was pretty dirrect. I answered it properly and without malice...

It is not my fault that there are not more top prepped and driven 1.6's.

[Jim Drago]

Ok, well that's good to know. So it's illegal because of liability to the Club? But NASA's lawyers say otherwise? I guess there will be no clarity.

Can you imagine sitting in on a meeting with insurance provider and explaining why it is "safe" to allow to cars to bump into each other?

[DrDomm]

Can you imagine sitting in on a meeting with insurance provider and explaining why it is "safe" to allow to cars to bump into each other?

Yep, I get it.

[Jim Drago]

Who knew bumpdrafting was such as hotbed of angst?

I know.. I am about to start another parity thread with a couple of half naked girls in y new video signature just to settle it down a bit.. OH wait, Dewhurst beat me to a [parity reference in the thread already

Oh and dewhurst.. that prep stuff is great, but here is what Tom needs to know to make a determination

[Caveman-kwebb99]

I know.. I am about to start another parity thread with a couple of half naked girls in y new video signature just to settle it down a bit.. OH wait, Dewhurst beat me to a [parity reference in the thread already

Oh and dewhurst.. that prep stuff is great, but here is what Tom needs to know to make a determination

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbW_e4g5-bk

Does that mean? no more boring? cause that vid has nothing to do with bump drafting!!!!

[FTodaro]

Why Do lawyers always have to take the fall............. its the insurance company that has the problem, Lawyers like risk. its our business.

going back to the point, some times some rules are better unsaid. No one is going to punish you for bumping unless they tell you before hand you can't. its so wide spread in this class, it to the point that the cat is out of the bag. Also with a spec class like this with cars so equal its pretty hard to get away from your competitor. If you approach SCCA for new rules your likely to get something that you don't want so to quote another saying, "let sleeping dogs lay".

Now lets get back to the girly videos and cheating.

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Why Do lawyers always have to take the fall............. its the insurance company that has the problem, Lawyers like risk. its our business.

going back to the point, some times some rules are better unsaid. No one is going to punish you for bumping unless they tell you before hand you can't. its so wide spread in this class, it to the point that the cat is out of the bag. Also with a spec class like this with cars so equal its pretty hard to get away from your competitor. If you approach SCCA for new rules your likely to get something that you don't want so to quote another saying, "let sleeping dogs lay".

Now lets get back to the girly videos and cheating.

Can I just cheet on my girly videos with another girly video?

[Caveman-kwebb99]

Drago, your video promotes drinking and driving!!!! My mom takes offense with that being posted on here! you are very insensatave to my family with you video posting