After a year with the Hoos I feel this way: 1. I spent maybe 3-4x the $ to have the same amount of fun. To be competitive you should run 6 heat cycles or less. So now I have an extra set of wheels and mounted Hoos and have to go to each race weekend with at least one set of stickers. And if there is a test day, practicing on old tires is worthless so there had better be a pretty fresh set on the car to start. With Toyos I only had to make sure I had enough tires to fill the car if I corded one as the last lap was usually the best lap. 2. The Toyo's are a tougher tire to go fast on and put drivers who just put their foot down at a disadvantage. On the Hoos, a lot of turns became easy flat bringing mid-pack field closer. Was it really worth it for that? 3. We're all on the same tires so I wouldn't really care if we were running street tires. What is important is that the costs remain low enough to encourage the large fields. Hoosiers took it the other way. Nothing would make me happier than to go back to Toyo's or have a Toyo class. And let's keep the Hoosier rains as they are far superior to the full tread Toyos. Sorry to the front running national guys, but no one ever gave me a tire. Contingencies seem to go to other places unknown. Most racers I talked with last weekend agreed, more or less, with my feelings. I think regional racers should petition their region to go back to the Toyo.
I call BS on your first paragragh...maybe 2x the tire budget but 3x to 4x??
We got 12 heat cycles average out of 3/32 RA1's. The first 6 of those were spent in practice or on a $250 test day to wear them down...the next 4 were good...the last couple a crap shoot. And this was because we were to cheap to shave them any more to only get 4-6 heat cycles out of them(like the front runners you mentioned). So you say 6 heat cycles on the Hoosier...I say 6 heat cycles on a RA1...these both in there prime to be competitive. Sounds like a pretty even cost to me(at the pointy end)?? What am I missing?
For the mid-packer who doesn't really slid the RA1, I can see were it will outlast the Hoosier just based on the fact that the Hoosier will heat cycle out sooner(grip wise). So for this reason I'm giving you 2X the cost...but even this would seem a stretch.
This thread was started to help our region come to a decision on a tire for next year. We did not move to the Hoosier for 2012 based on 3 reasons(Brian can correct me if I'm wrong)...
~Keep SM regional race budgets lower
~Stay on the same tire our local NASA region was on.
~Toyo offered nice contingency money(which was given out in a modified lottery format...not just the top 5 guys)
So now NASA is moving to the RR(
)and our very large regional SM group is left standing in the field alone.
Do we stay on RA1's, go to the SCCA national tire(Hoosier), or move to the RR and stay with NASA and the Toyo contingency money(which I assume we would also still get on the RA1)?? Gathering info here will help make this decision. But exaggerated info and those who agree with it wont help IMO...
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